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#265939 - 12/20/13 01:15 AM Re: Woman survives three nights in Alaskan cold [Re: AKSAR]
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Geezer in Chief

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7153
Loc: southern Cal
I apologize.In light of your situation, my remarks come across as flippant. But helos are hazardous. The only SAR related memorial service I attended was for two Arizona DPS pilot who crashed returning from their last mission. They had dropped off three of our volunteers about twenty minutes before their ship turned into a rock.
Geezer in Chief

#265941 - 12/20/13 01:51 AM Re: Woman survives three nights in Alaskan cold [Re: hikermor]
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Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1156
Loc: Alaska
No apologies necessary. I didn't take your remark as flippant. I took it as realistic.

Having flown in helos both for work, and for SAR, I have a love-hate thing with them. On the one hand, a helicopter is like a magic carpet. You decide "I want to go there" and it takes you there, to a place it would take many hard hours (if not days) to reach on foot. On the other hand, they scare the crap out of me.

I am reminded of a quote:
"The thing is, helicopters are different from airplanes. An airplane by its nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces and controls working in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying, immediately and disastrously. There is no such thing as a gliding helicopter."

-Harry Reasoner, 16 February 1971
"Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."
-Dorothy, in The Wizard of Oz

#265942 - 12/20/13 02:25 AM Re: Woman survives three nights in Alaskan cold [Re: AKSAR]
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Geezer in Chief

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7153
Loc: southern Cal
My feelings are very similar to yours and definitely ambivalent. I resolved long ago that I would jump, either on or under, a helicopter to participate in a significant mission. But I would never get near one for something frivolous or insignificant.

These days there are commercial sightseeing helicopter tours in the Black Hills (South Dakota) and the Grand Canyon. I wouldn't go on one of those if you paid me.

The Reasoner quote,or something very similar,is said to explain why plane pilots are happy and optimistic, while helicopter pilots are always frowning and worried.
Geezer in Chief

#265947 - 12/20/13 04:00 AM Re: Woman survives three nights in Alaskan cold [Re: TeacherRO]
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3269
Loc: USA
10,000 parts flying in close formation. I'm sorry about your friend, AKSAR.

#265963 - 12/20/13 05:47 PM Re: Woman survives three nights in Alaskan cold [Re: TeacherRO]
JPickett Offline

Registered: 08/03/12
Posts: 264
Loc: Missouri
AKSAR, my condolences. Some 35 years ago I worked in a Hospital which had a helicopter transport service as a part of its ambulance service. I never got to ride on a helicopter transport. Once I was irritated about that. No longer. Helicopters just scare me now.

#265986 - 12/21/13 08:22 PM Re: Woman survives three nights in Alaskan cold [Re: benjammin]
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 314
Loc: Canada
In the Army I was Quickly was Taught the 5P's "Poor Planning Provides Poor Performance". In reality I was really taught the the 7P's in the 1980's, but political correctness soon got rid of 2 of them!
Bruce Zawalsky
Chief Instructor
Boreal Wilderness Institute

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