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#26407 - 04/01/04 02:09 AM Emergency Line Gun
Anonymous
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With the message that I posted about the stranded kayakers and the tube incident at the damn, I am reminded about an article I read about an imporvised "line throwing gun" in some sort of book.
The idea was to use a shotgun, a broom handle a bit longer than the barrel and a shotgun shell cut down to eliminate the projectile.
The story was that by taping a light line to the broom handle that projected from the barrel, the shotgun could be used to project the broom handle into the air with some degree of accuracy, carrying the light line behind it.

I have always wondered if it would work and if so, how safe it might be.
Anyone have any experience with something like this?

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#26408 - 04/01/04 03:09 AM Re: Emergency Line Gun
MartinFocazio Offline

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Registered: 01/21/03
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Hmm...I'll give that a try out back when the rain let's up here and then I'll let you know.

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#26409 - 04/01/04 03:39 AM Re: Emergency Line Gun
Anonymous
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Sounds like a good way to blow up a shotgun, and create more work for the EMS folks.

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#26410 - 04/01/04 04:16 AM Re: Emergency Line Gun
Paul810 Offline
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Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1428
Loc: NJ, USA
Why not just spend the money and buy a real line launcher if you really expect to have a use for one? It has to be safer to use then a shotgun with a broom jammed down the barrel. <img src="images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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#26411 - 04/01/04 04:20 AM Re: Emergency Line Gun
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If I recall correctly, the suggestion was to weight the top end of the broom handle with something farily light, perhaps taping a few washers at the end.
I thought of trying it at one time, using some sort of bipod and pulling the trigger by a remote control of some sort, string, etc.
Although the theory sounds okay, I am not sure that it wouldn't cause some type of a barrel explosion. I don't think I would use a broom handle/dowell that was too snug in the barrel.



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#26412 - 04/01/04 04:30 AM Re: Emergency Line Gun
Anonymous
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One of the neat things about this forum is that it generates ideas of improvisation and the thoughts that stimulate the thinking process.
I doubt anyone would have need for a line gun to be available to them, but on the other hand, being able to improvise one might be worth knowing about.

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#26413 - 04/01/04 06:52 PM Re: Emergency Line Gun
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Registered: 11/14/03
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Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
I saw something similar to that about an improvised gernade launcher.

Knowing a little about shotguns, I would suspect the problem of blowing up the gun would be remote if you:

Use a full bore barrel (no choke)

Push the broom handle snug against the wads before fireing.

Make the bearing surface even the full length of the broom handle to the barrel (Just shimming the rear and front of the broom handle could result in torqueing of the broom handle as it exists the barrel).

Remember the inertia of the broom handle launcher has to overcome the increasing resistance that the line has as the length of line increases.

Make me the beneficiary of a large life insurance policy on your life.

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#26414 - 04/01/04 07:34 PM Re: Emergency Line Gun
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I see two possible problems with it. The broom handle is heavier than the original shot load. This may increase the pressure enough to blow up the barrel. The shortened shell may no longer seal the the back end of the chamber. This would allow the hot gas to escape through the back end. It depends on the gun what happens in this case.
Iīve seen photos of guns blown up both ways and the injuries that were inflicted on the people holding the gun. After that I would not try this at all.
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#26415 - 04/01/04 07:38 PM Re: Emergency Line Gun
Anonymous
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I think the toughest thing about making this work would be to have a supply of line that feeds out in a manner that doesn't create any more drag than necessary.
If the theory is that the set up could be used as some sort of grenade launcher, it might have enough momentum to carry the line a decent distance.

Thanks for the feedback.
No go on the insurance policy!

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#26416 - 04/02/04 02:23 AM Re: Emergency Line Gun
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
The standard USCG line throwing rifles are converted 1917 Remington and 03 Springfield rifles. The barrel is a shortened smoothbore with an underslung reel. There are 3 different wieght projectiles consisting of a rod, line lanyard and two plastic and one heavy bronze tip. The rods slip down the bore conected to the underslung line. The cartridge used is a standard blank as used for grenade launchers. I recall many stories of black powder muzzleloading longarms discharged by accident or haste in combat with the charging rod the projectile. The safest option for a dedicated line throwing rifle is to locate a Greener Harpoon rifle. These were imported by the old Harrington & Richardson company in the 70's. It is a splendid piece ( it is the weapon used in JAWS) built on a Martini action. Last time I saw one, it had a pricetag of $800. There are two low tech options; A. making up a monkeyfist knot and practising, and B. Archery can be set up for fishing with a light reel. I doubt if archery would be viable. Conditions that merit any line throwing device mean throwing a handline is difficult due to distance and/or high winds. You must be extremely carefull discharging such a weapon. If everything works, there are tremendous recoils associated with the heavier rods. The bronze projectile must be fired with the rifle but braced on the deck. I watched a shipmate shatter his collarbone and dislocate the rotator cup firing offhand.

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