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#261953 - 07/19/13 10:20 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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QuikClot costs too much. Other than adding a second 5 x 9 trauma pad, is there a wound treatment item for non-professional caregivers?

Who has experiences with using a surgical scrub brush to clean wounds, more specifically abrasions? What is your opinion on using a scrub brush and recommendations on cleaning abrasions?

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions, even for the ones I will not be using, and for your kind words.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#261959 - 07/20/13 04:32 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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A wonderful idea, it has inspired me to write about long term planning for a 3rd world community.

band aid solutions?


Respectfully,

teacher

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#261969 - 07/20/13 07:19 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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Teacher, your "Band Aid Solutions" thread is beyond to the scope of what JI is doing. In the comment above you say JI has a wonderful idea but in your thread you basically say that her efforts are pointless. It's belittling and insulting to do that and posting a link to it here isn't right or fair, and could derail what is a very interesting and informative thread.
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#261971 - 07/20/13 08:05 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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My point is - its a great idea, how can you better serve your goal?

help the missionaries while they are there - done and done

or is it to have a lasting affect on the communities?

I agree with both goals - just that the second is harder and longer lasting

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#261979 - 07/21/13 12:39 AM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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On my phone, so will try to be quick. I'd skip quick clot similar. For bad bleeds, sterile bandage next to wound, rags/clothes/etc on top of them, and LOTS of pressure. If you can't afford a TQ, maybe a n additional triangle bandage and something sturdy to use as a windlass to make an expedient TQ.

How far are you from civilization? Benadryl is only a stop gap for anaphylaxis, so it's overall utility ai would put below bismuth. Folks are likely to get diarrhea, not likely to become anaphylactic (and if they do, oral benadryl is a poor choice for treatment). If it's just for regular allergies, so what if you have a runny nose? This goes back to people bringing their own prescriptions. I would say maybe 5- 10 packs of benadrly and the rest bismuth.

Skip the surgical scrub, it's redundant and rather bulky. How do you clean abrasions here in the US? I hope not with a surgical scrub! Soap/water or diluted peroxide works just fine


Edited by MDinana (07/21/13 12:41 AM)

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#261981 - 07/21/13 02:18 AM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: MDinana]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Add a second trauma pad and add a second triangular bandage. Got it. Thank you.

Originally I was going to add one foil package of Povidone-Iodine 10% Solution. Nurse Mike said to increase the Povidone-Iodine. Yesterday I was thinking of putting in two foil packages of Povidone-Iodine instead of one.

I have no experience with specifically abrasions hence why I asked who has experience. Thanks again.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#261982 - 07/21/13 02:31 AM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: ]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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True. A triangular bandage can be easily improvised. When I put everything together and it looks like I am running low on space, I will stay with one.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#261996 - 07/21/13 06:35 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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I read the first fifty-nine pages of Where There is No Doctor because Teacher recommended this book. This book is about healthy lifestyle changes, which certainly has its place.

A guide in a first aid kit has to cover the situation and be organized so a layperson can quickly find what she needs.

Something Izzy said inspired an idea. For those who have copies of A Comprehensive Guide to Wilderness & Travel Medicine by Eric A. Weiss, M.D. you are not using, I can put them to use. Send them to this address:

Jeanette Isabelle
C/O Southwest Harvest Church
201 W. Center St.
Duncanville, TX 75116
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#261997 - 07/21/13 06:49 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: MDinana]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: MDinana
How far are you from civilization? Benadryl is only a stop gap for anaphylaxis, so it's overall utility ai would put below bismuth. Folks are likely to get diarrhea, not likely to become anaphylactic (and if they do, oral benadryl is a poor choice for treatment). If it's just for regular allergies, so what if you have a runny nose? This goes back to people bringing their own prescriptions. I would say maybe 5- 10 packs of benadrly and the rest bismuth.

Getting both presents a problem. Since Bismuth Subsalicytate is more important than Diphenhydramine, I will fill the kits with Bismuth Subsalicytate.

Edit: I won't attempt to explain why. The bottom back compartments can't be used to hold medication packets; it can hold alcohol pads. One compartment is for sting relief pads so that leaves eight compartments which hold five packets of medication each. The Bismuth Subsalicytate will replace the five packets of Calcium Carbonate. The kit comes with five packets of Aspirin and five packets of Acetaminophen. I can afford to buy two boxes of medication packets. If the second box I buy is Diphenhydramine, this is what I propose:

Twenty packets of Bismuth Subsalicytate, ten packets of Diphenhydramine, five packets of Aspirin and five packets of Acetaminophen.

An alternative is to skip the Diphenhydramine and buy a box of one of the following: Ibuprofen, Acetaminophen or Aspirin.

Jeanette Isabelle


Edited by Jeanette_Isabelle (07/22/13 02:58 AM)
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#262020 - 07/22/13 11:48 PM Re: Build a Wilderness First Aid Kit [Re: haertig]
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I won't be able to use the CoFlex; I found Telfa Pads at good prices:

http://www.kvsupply.com/telfa-pads-2-x-3-strip-100-count
http://www.kvsupply.com/telfa-pads-3-x-4-100-count

Jeanette Isabelle
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