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#25483 - 03/08/04 10:15 PM One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
Doug_Ritter Offline


Registered: 01/28/01
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One in four New Yorkers haven't taken the most basic steps to prepare for an emergency - and less than half know basic first aid, a Red Cross survey found.

Whole story at: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/171332p-149520c.html
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#25484 - 03/08/04 10:27 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
aardwolfe Offline
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Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 923
Loc: St. John's, Newfoundland
Doesn't surprise me. About two years ago, I agreed to teach a First Aid course for free to three local Boy Scout troops; twelve Scout leaders signed up.

On the day of the course, only four students showed up - and one of them wasn't even one of the twelve who'd signed up, but had driven down from a town up north just "on spec" to see if there was space available.

9 of the 12 had simply decided they would prefer to sleep in, or do something else with their weekend. Or maybe they just forgot. <img src="images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

(The next time I taught a First Aid course for them, their leader had them pay in advance, then re-imbursed them after they completed the course. Strangely enough, we had a full class.) <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
"The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled."

#25485 - 03/08/04 10:46 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
joblot Offline

Registered: 02/21/03
Posts: 258
Loc: Scotland
I'd call that apathy.
Its a 20th Century disease, brought on by the idea that the state will come to your rescue whatever the situation, and that money is the be-all and end-all.
Its typical of a culture that is reliant on the goodwill of our political system and our way of life, and is lazy in its attitude to others. In other words its the: "it'll never happen to me so who cares, especially if its going to cost me money" attitude.

#25486 - 03/08/04 11:29 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
DBAGuy Offline
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Registered: 03/02/04
Posts: 165
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
Why would New Yorkers be any different from those who live in L.A. , S.F., Miami, or Denver? The collective fear they felt has subsided, the danger seems far away, and it may never repeat itself.

As usual, those who are prepared (I think 'survivalist' is not a designation encouraged here, correct?) are looked upon as odd and paranoid.

What I find unusual is that it indeed "happens" to someone every day. Every day a neighbor dies of a heart attack, a car wreck, SLIPPING ON ICE - yet it seems that there is a great deal of isolation that discourages interest in the world.

#25487 - 03/09/04 02:33 AM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2823
I was thinking the same, should be one in four Americans or one in four people. Even then I think one in four is a bit high. I couldn't name another person, except maybe the maintenance workers, in my building who carry a flashlight or knife, and those maintenance men only carry it because it is part of their toolbox not as and EDC or PSK item. I've met a few guys who carry leathermans and a couple with Mag solitaires or small led lights on their keychain but mostly because someone bought their dad a present for Christmas or Birthday, no thought into preparedness. I certainly haven't met one in four, one in 10 at best with a single item that could be used in an emergency.

#25488 - 03/09/04 04:51 AM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
ScottRezaLogan Offline
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Registered: 01/07/04
Posts: 723
Loc: Pttsbg SWestern Pa USA N-Amer....
What joblot says, People either Being Busy / or Thinking they are, and Modern Day Creature Comforts!, -Come to Mind as Likely Things Behind this!

If NYC *After* September 11th is No Better at Basic Preparedness than That Figure!........! And it's Really Not All that Long Thereafter!

If NYC is so, I Hate to so How Much Less some Other Places may be so!

I'm a Good Bit Inclined to Ruefully Have to Lean to your Possible Figures!, Eugene.

I Think Split Screen Comparisons shud be Made on the Tube! Of America in the Immeadiate Weeks and Months Following Sept. 11th! And America as it has Largely and Lethargically Laxed Off by Now! The Contrast would be Astoni-Striking! Sure we Keep a Lot of Alertness Up! But we Drop Too Many Balls too! Where is our Sea of Flags!? They Lasted No More than a Half a Year! We as a Nation Loudly said that we'd Never Forget! I Wonder How Well we Really Sometimes Remember!

I Mean to Steer Clear of Politics and Controversy! Writing the Previous Paragraph makes me Nervous from that Standpoint! But I Write the Previous Paragraph in Connection with What we're saying here about NYC and American Basic Preparedness.

Such Knowledge and Kits, are of course even More Important than say Flags, when it Comes to Things along Preparedness Lines in Itself. But Other Things as we be, can be Symptomatic of This Lack of Preparedness or of a Preparedness Mindset and Attitude.

I Must Add, in All Factuality, that I'm Not yet Fully Up to Speed on General Preparedness, Personally myself! I will at least mention, that I still have Spots on my Own Kettle, while Constructively Commenting on that of Others. [color:"black"] [/color] [email]Eugene[/email]
"No Substitute for Victory!"and"You Can't be a Beacon if your Light Don't Shine!"-Gen. Douglass MacArthur and Donna Fargo.

#25489 - 03/09/04 02:23 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
Craig Offline

Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Does not surprise me, either, but there simply is no excuse for it.

#25490 - 03/09/04 02:56 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 1076
Haven't you guys seen "New York CPR" in action? It goes like this:

Patient collapses on sidewalk, clutching his chest and gasping for air. New York City native walks by, looks at patient, and says with perfect Brooklyn twang: "get up before you frickin' die!".

Just a joke, but I'll bet our ETS forum friend Polak187 has seen something similar for real... <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

#25491 - 03/09/04 04:07 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
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Registered: 05/23/02
Posts: 1403
Loc: Brooklyn, New York
Yes. It is a well known fact that you can fall down on the street in NYC and people will just walk around you and if there is no space even over you. I see it everyday.

93K check out unconscious on the 4th ave 36 Street on the cross
Central, conditions?
93K be aware call came form the cell phone conditions unknown I get you PD backup.

So we get there and there is somebody unconscious lying on the street with head busted open. We take care of the guy, stabilize him and load him on the bus (he was pronounced later on). I ask PD to ask around if anyone seen anything since I got my hands full with suction and ventilation. It comes up that Seven Eleven clerk saw the guy lying there for at least an hour but he wants no trouble or any involvement. How about all those people that passed by in this period? In the era of cell phones why somebody didn't make the call earlier? Per Doc in the ER, if we got him there within 30 min of the fall chances of survival for this guy were about 75%.

And I'm not surprised that New Yorkers are not prepared. We can have 9/11 every year and people wouldn't care much. I think that the rest of the country cares more about what happened on that day than people in NY (except for FD, PD and EMS). From one point of view it is good that we "get over" things and move on but lessons should be learned. I heard people voicing their opinion that rest of the county is more patriotic. That NYC is too liberal. Maybe that’s it. I don’t know.

"Blackout" was the second time NY got a rude awaking. I don't think anyone learned from that either. Nobody knows how hard Public Agencies were at work in order to save people. Again out of sight out of mind.

What will it take? A nuke in the middle of Manhattan? Thank God I revolve around people who are more open minded. My friends are either ex Army, Cops, Fireman, fellow EMTs, Medics or just regular folks who are aware of possible danger (even if remote). Our basic idea and motto in life is that maybe but maybe when the [censored] goes down we will have to rely on each other or ourselves and there may be no gov’t agency to help us out. Obviously NYC is not the place where I can camp out, sling my rifle around my shoulder and hunt (unless I get to the Bronx zoo). But basic preparedness such as 72 hrs food supply, water, basic survival items are a must. Yes I can take it to the extreme with titanium cookware, LED flashlight fetish, etc etc… but nobody tells you to have everything top notch. I think people should stop sticking their hands out for help and put them to work.

I love this city, I love Brooklyn and Manhattan and I love the streets. I love helping people and making the difference but it hurts me that a lot of people are not getting help either because they couldn’t help themselves by being unprepared or because their fellow man failed to help them.



#25492 - 03/09/04 04:15 PM Re: One in Four New Yorkers Unprepared
David Offline

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 245
Loc: Tennessee (middle)
Matt/Polak187 wrote:
Obviously NYC is not the place where I can camp out, sling my rifle around my shoulder and hunt (unless I get to the Bronx zoo).

You know the difference between a zoo in the north & one in the south? In the north, the cages have the name of the animal & an interesting fact; in the south, the cages have the name of the animal, an interesting fact, and a recipe.

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