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#252624 - 11/01/12 05:16 PM Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines
thseng Offline
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Registered: 03/24/06
Posts: 900
Loc: NW NJ
Been away from the forum for a few weeks.

I happened to have my camera out as I drove past one of the few stations that had power and fuel left yesterday:
http://youtu.be/VmeQL6ykxiY

Another station in town had a similar line in the morning - mostly people with gas cans for their generators.

Just some personal experience.
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#252640 - 11/01/12 08:25 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: thseng]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 1916
Loc: Washington, DC

A video is worth a thousand words, thanks.

When the derecho (wind storm) hit DC in July a lot of gas stations lost power and then stations that had power began running low and running out of some grades.

The lines weren't anything like what your video and the news shows. But it was unnerving.

That's going to get real old real fast. Just read that Con Ed will not have a majority of "customers" (the definition of which includes entire buildings) online again until November 11 and the rest as long as a week later.

21 days without power. And it is getting cold.


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#252642 - 11/01/12 08:50 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: Dagny]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5237
Loc: SOCAL
It's getting cold and all that firewood that just fell down won't be ready until next year. Ya gotta be thinking ahead. wink
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#252643 - 11/01/12 08:55 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: thseng]
Teslinhiker Offline
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Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1394
Loc: Cranbrook BC (Finally)
Thanks, that video gives a great perspective.

Having extra gas on hand is always a good asset no matter what the disaster is or where you are located.

Our full size truck holds 32 gallons (121L) which when the tank is empty, costs at today's fuel price of $1.20 per litre ($5.46 per gallon), $175.00 to fill. Add in 2-3 x 5 gallon stored/rotated Jerry cans adds $82.00 to the total. That is a good chunk of change for fuel...However after seeing videos and numerous photos the last few days, the financial cost of maintaining these fuel levels will be all worth it in the event that we are ever faced with a sizable disaster in our part of the country.
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#252645 - 11/01/12 09:00 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: Russ]
thseng Offline
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Registered: 03/24/06
Posts: 900
Loc: NW NJ
Luckily, I topped off my tank on Sunday night. The attendant closed up right after me saying his tanks were empty.

Still large areas without power around here.

We used up most of the food in the fridge & freezer so we didn't have to dig into the dry stores more than normal. I had a couple of gallon jugs of ice in the freezer ahead of time that helped a lot.

The only real issues were my lack of effective backup heat and the fact that there were zero stores open if you did need anything.
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#252648 - 11/01/12 09:20 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: thseng]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 3078


Lets hope folks have the good sense to leave enough fuel in their vehicle tanks so that they can get their vehicle to the Petrol Station when their vehicle fuel tanks and petrol stations run dry so they can top up after a fuel delivery is made at the petrol station.

Keeping an eye out for fuel thieves who will puncture and drain someone else's vehicle tank during the night might also be prudent as this could become a real headache in the next week or so.

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#252649 - 11/01/12 09:36 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: thseng]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 3078
Quote:

The only real issues were my lack of effective backup heat and the fact that there were zero stores open if you did need anything.


I have been to some of the Electrical suppliers websites and there are still vast number without a grid connection. The most worrying aspect though is the expected reconnection time and many just still state 'Pending'. This is now 3 days into the emergency yet some have estimated that this power outage crisis is potentially affecting more than 20-30 million people. Is this normal even for a bad storm!

http://www.lipower.org/stormcenter/outagemap.html

http://apps.coned.com/stormcenter_external/default.html

http://outages.firstenergycorp.com/nj.html

Con Edison for example is now reporting estimated repair times in many New York districts now as November 11th. eek

I also have the feeling that politically and to reduce loss of life from a planning perspective that New York will be regarded as the priority area to get the city back up and connected to the grid., which doesn't bode to well for the outlying districts when considering allocation of resources.


Quote:
Battery Park City 438 5,042 Pending
Bay Ridge 226 93,430 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Beekman 0 9,259 Pending
Borden 0 12,267 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Borough Hall 2,691 52,631 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Bowling Green 2,514 2,587 Pending
Brighton Beach 5,804 27,831 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Canal 8,479 8,505 Pending
Central Bronx 100 44,452 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Central Park 4 78,552 Pending
Chelsea 27,396 27,526 Pending
City Hall 8,805 8,770 Pending
Columbus Circle 0 19,820 Pending
Cooper Square 66,650 67,237 Pending
Cortlandt 716 2,010 Pending
Crown Heights 577 84,214 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Empire 15 3,605 Pending
Fashion 44 6,342 Pending
Flatbush 12,623 135,665 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Flushing 15,886 119,742 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Fordham 232 114,772 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Fox Hills 26,432 59,350 Pending
Freedom 0 1 Pending
Fresh Kills 18,885 38,152 Pending
Fulton 4,002 3,966 Pending
Grand Central 1 4,871 Pending
Greeley Square 3,091 3,053 Pending
Greenwich 10,109 10,166 Pending
Harlem 11 57,399 Pending
Herald Square 2 1,368 Pending
Hudson 2 8,288 Pending
Hunter 0 2,219 Pending
Jackson Heights 322 71,263 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Jamaica 40,668 147,658 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Kips Bay 21,086 21,628 Pending
Lenox Hill 0 44,042 Pending
Lincoln Square 0 23,019 Pending
Long Island City 726 73,785 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Madison Square 30,190 30,652 Pending
Maspeth 2,958 107,094 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Northeast Bronx 14,981 79,942 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Ocean Parkway 9,872 117,965 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Park Place 4,901 4,905 Pending
Park Slope 1,465 114,131 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Pennsylvania 14 12,366 Pending
Plaza 0 6,368 Pending
Prospect Park 4 32,124 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Randalls Island 0 9 Pending
Rego Park 9,405 70,828 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Richmond Hill 21,448 120,719 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Ridgewood 221 89,163 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Riverdale 3,909 34,772 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Rockefeller Center 0 833 Pending
Roosevelt 11 8,877 Pending
Sheepshead Bay 7,279 63,947 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Sheridan Square 38,230 36,661 Pending
Southeast Bronx 7,471 89,736 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Sunnyside 0 24,571 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Sutton 0 10,423 Pending
Times Square 86 2,560 Pending
Triboro 12 37,140 Pending
Turtle Bay 0 827 Pending
Wainwright 8,566 24,613 Pending
Washington Heights 9 69,829 Pending
West Bronx 54 62,352 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Williamsburg 292 94,606 Nov 11, 23:59 PM
Willowbrook 4,990 23,936 Pending
Woodrow 9,391 28,151 Pending
Yorkville 686 80,474 Pending





Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (11/01/12 09:37 PM)

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#252651 - 11/01/12 11:16 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: thseng]
LesSnyder Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1580
Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
one of the things Craig Fugate (FEMA Director) did while he was the Director of Emergency Management here in Florida was to form cooperative partnerships with fuel and food retailers to have on site generators to pump gas, run credit cards, and keep the refrigerators/freezers working, and to pre position relief supplies on the trailing side of anticipated land fall...why state directors do not heed lessons learned from others is a mystery...

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#252669 - 11/02/12 02:46 AM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
James_Van_Artsdalen Offline
Addict

Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 449
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
[quote]
This is now 3 days into the emergency yet some have estimated that this power outage crisis is potentially affecting more than 20-30 million people. Is this normal even for a bad storm!

Yes it's normal after a tropical cyclone.

The press seems to have lost sight of the fact that there's quite a bit of experience with such events on the Gulf Coast. It just takes time to inspect *every* *single* transformer in an area many tens of thousands of square miles, especially if 25% need replacing.

All of the normal "what to expect if you decide to ride out a hurricane" rules apply, even though these people didn't plan on riding it out and probably didn't realize that's what they were doing, like it or not.

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#252688 - 11/02/12 01:50 PM Re: Hurricane Sandy Gas Lines [Re: James_Van_Artsdalen]
thseng Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 03/24/06
Posts: 900
Loc: NW NJ
I've never felt the need for a generator for a number of reasons:
1. I has been literally 13 years since the last power outage that lasted more than 2 hours.
2. During a short outage you can simply do without. We have a propane stovetop for cooking and city water. All we lack is heat because the oil burner needs power.
3. During a long outage, it is difficult to store and replenish enough fuel to make it worthwhile.

Case in point, my parents live further north and very rural. They finally have a generator to keep the water and furnace running. This past week my dad has burned much more gas driving around looking for gas than he has obtained so far.

Rant on rationing to follow shortly.
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