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#246162 - 05/22/12 10:29 PM Re: Backup "professional" skills for economic collapse [Re: sheldon]
ponder Offline
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Registered: 12/18/06
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Loc: American Redoubt
It might be fun to start a barter exchange. People could post what they want and other could reply with an offer. Few deals will really be completed but its the thought that counts.

If you could find others in your home area, reality may kick in.

i.e. - I could pay you cash or barter my inventory.

1. I need 100 green sand bags.
2. I need an 11 degree ream that will drill a tapered hole 1 3/8 diameter with a brace and bit.
3. I need a light duty hitch and axle with bicycle wheels added to an M3 tripod.
4. I need two ZON propane wildlife cannons with remote control.
5. I need 20 landscaping railroad ties delivered and bolted together.
6. I need a house/business sitter with their own camp trailer.
7. For the right person, this list could get quite large.
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#246189 - 05/23/12 02:15 AM Re: Backup "professional" skills for economic collapse [Re: chaosmagnet]
unimogbert Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 882
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet

Every single time I've seen this it's been dirt on one of the ABS sensors.


Last time it was grease on the left rear sensor. (there are greasable u-joints adjacent to the toothed sensor wheel)
I pulled it last week - it was clean.
Maybe it's grease on the right rear?

Thanks for the confirming hint.

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#246192 - 05/23/12 03:00 AM Re: Backup "professional" skills for economic collapse [Re: sheldon]
Snake_Doctor
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Hey Sheldon. Our branch university offers EMT courses. As for reading just absorb the information and use it, don't bother telling someone "I read how to get that steel splinter out of your sons eye>" More credible to simply do so. Today I popped a 14 year old nieghbor girls shoulder back in. She fell while barrel racing. They brought her straight to the ranch rather than a fifty mile trip to the ER. SDorry, I can't reccomend titles, but you'll find plenty to choose from at your local library. Also consider the librairies in surrounding towns and cities. I'm horrible at mechanics, but even my brothers have problems with modern cars. They taught me some basics, but the field never appealed to me. But my point is, don't lock into one or two trades, learn several to cover your basesz. If I can be of any help just ask. Thanks for responding

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#246268 - 05/24/12 02:26 PM Re: Backup "professional" skills for economic collapse [Re: sheldon]
Pete Offline
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Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 1372
I'll give you two answers.
First one makes sense - medical knowledge or first aid skills. That kind of ability can always be traded and is always helpful :-)

NEXT, some advice from a guy who WAS in the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was a Russian, and I read his comments years ago. I really wish I had saved the Web site where he published this stuff, but it's probably gone by now. Here's what he said ... "Buy a Russian refrigerator. The best advice I can give you is to buy an old Russian refrigerator.".

So what the heck does that mean?
Well ... apparently the old Soviet refrigerators were big heavy clunkers. They were not terribly efficient. But it was pretty easy to take them apart, replace parts, and keep them going. So Russians developed a whole black market for refrigerator parts ... just to keep these clunkers operating. And so what this Russian guy was really saying is that it's better to have appliances that you can repair easily, even if they are not the most fantastic devices.

Here in the USA we have built up an entire culture of hardware where "if it's broken ... just throw it away". That mentality worked because we had the upper hand economically, and all the throw-away stuff was made cheaply in China. But that whole philosophy is going to collapse ... if the US economy goes the same way as the Soviet system.

Draw your own conclusions :-)

Pete2


Edited by Pete (05/24/12 02:27 PM)

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#246363 - 05/28/12 04:35 AM Re: Backup "professional" skills for economic collapse [Re: Pete]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Pete
NEXT, some advice from a guy who WAS in the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was a Russian, and I read his comments years ago....Here's what he said ... "Buy a Russian refrigerator. The best advice I can give you is to buy an old Russian refrigerator."

The only guy who really talks about the collapse of the Soviet Union is Dmitry Orlov. This may not be exactly the same talk you read, but I'm pretty sure Orlov is who you're remembering. Here's an excerpt from the page

Quote:
Since there was no profit motive in the Soviet Union, there was no incentive for planned obsolescence in the few consumer products that were produced. Instead, they constructed simple, functional and sturdy (but oh-so-ugly) refrigerators that were sufficiently durable and repairable to function long after production of a model was stopped.

Unfortunately, hardly anything in our homes made in the past 15 years are not designed for "planned obsolescence" and are not readily repairable.

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#246373 - 05/28/12 10:54 PM Re: Backup "professional" skills for economic collapse [Re: Pete]
Mark_M Offline
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Registered: 11/19/09
Posts: 295
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: Pete
I'll give you two answers.
First one makes sense - medical knowledge or first aid skills. That kind of ability can always be traded and is always helpful :-)

NEXT, some advice from a guy who WAS in the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was a Russian, and I read his comments years ago. I really wish I had saved the Web site where he published this stuff, but it's probably gone by now. Here's what he said ... "Buy a Russian refrigerator. The best advice I can give you is to buy an old Russian refrigerator.".

So what the heck does that mean?
Well ... apparently the old Soviet refrigerators were big heavy clunkers. They were not terribly efficient. But it was pretty easy to take them apart, replace parts, and keep them going. So Russians developed a whole black market for refrigerator parts ... just to keep these clunkers operating. And so what this Russian guy was really saying is that it's better to have appliances that you can repair easily, even if they are not the most fantastic devices.

Here in the USA we have built up an entire culture of hardware where "if it's broken ... just throw it away". That mentality worked because we had the upper hand economically, and all the throw-away stuff was made cheaply in China. But that whole philosophy is going to collapse ... if the US economy goes the same way as the Soviet system.


Actually, the primary economic force driving the concept of disposable appliances was the increasing cost of labor versus the decreasing cost of off-shore production. With insurance and overhead tacked-on, a small appliance repair organization needs to charge at least $70/hour to be viable, and has to tack on a margin to all parts they order to cover shipping, shipping damage, handling defective parts and other overhead.

A secondary influence was the cost of the logistics to ship parts, particularly large and/or heavy items such as motors and compressors, from the off-shore manufacturer to the US warehouses and then distribute them on-demand to local service locations. The warehouses themselves are expensive to maintain.

The final nail in the coffin was in the 1980's most corporations looked to profitizing their parts and service chain in order to be more competitive on original purchase price. Before then parts and service was at-best a break-even operation, usually a cost center written off as part of the customer service/warranty operations. Today that operations contributes to the company's revenues and, in most cases, it outsourced to third party service providers operating under forth-party insurance programs. Labor-wise this is more efficient, but overall the cost to the consumer is increased by high repeat service call visits and appliance down-time waiting for parts.

Small, independent appliance repair centers had difficulty competing in this environment and in most places shut their doors, leaving a market almost monopolized by national chains. Local appliance retailers, who often had their own factory-certified repair techs, were replaced by big-box stores and big department stores.

Today if you want to find a bargain on appliance repairs you need to look for small dealers of primarily used appliances in lower-income areas. These niche stores buy used/broken appliances and strip out all the usable parts to repair their customer's appliances and are masters of improvisation. You might wind up with a Whirlpool compressor in your GE refrigerator, but your food won't know the difference.

But anyway, large appliances are still repairable. Interruptions to manufacturing or economic collapses could easily tip the scales back to favor repair versus replacement. Knowing how to repair the appliances, particularly how to adapt parts from dissimilar manufacturers, would be a very useful skill to learn. Establishing a network of parts suppliers, or acting as a parts recycler, could also be useful in difficult times.

If you are concerned as a consumer, your best bet is to buy the simplest appliances you can find. Favor mechanical controls versus computerized/digital controls. If you can afford service-industry level appliances, such as used for restaurants, hotels and commercial laundry services, these tend to be more durable and easier to repair/maintain than those designed for residential use. But also look into appliances made for RV use, as these are also usually simple and easy to maintain, as long as you have access to the electronics. But even electronic controls can be converted to manual operation if you have sufficient knowledge of electronics and how the appliance operates.
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