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#23836 - 01/29/04 01:46 PM Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
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Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA

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#23837 - 01/29/04 02:29 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
Anonymous
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The only way to gurantee that someone won't try to blow up a passenger plane is to not let anyone on there in the first place. <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, a bit irreverent, but if I don't laugh I think I might have to cry... <img src="images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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#23838 - 01/29/04 06:14 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
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Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
I agree.

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#23839 - 01/30/04 05:18 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
billvann Offline
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Registered: 05/10/01
Posts: 780
Loc: NE Illinois, USA (42:19:08N 08...
Of course we could take this to its next logical step. Our most valuable survival tool is also our most dangerous and lethal weapon... our brain. Apparently the TSA folks have already checked theirs at the gate. <img src="images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#23840 - 01/30/04 08:19 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
Anonymous
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I'd like to see the guards try and prevent someone from smuggling a match onboard. You could hide one anywhere.

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#23841 - 01/31/04 12:34 AM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
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Registered: 01/31/04
Posts: 18
The solution to the problem is not fewer weapons on the planes, but more weapons. How sucessful is a terrorist going to be when there are 200 other passengers armed with TSA issued handguns?

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#23842 - 01/31/04 01:48 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
Anonymous
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Exactly. When they started confiscating knives I made that point- I'd feel much safer if they handed out free steak knives to passengers as they board the plane, like they used to do in gas stations.

There are so many fallacies here it's hard to narrow it down, but a basic one is that, since good people still vastly outnumber bad, one clear way to promote evil is to make sure that good people are helpless to stop it. We seem to be doing our best.

The TSA is committed to this increasingly-insane path, and they CANNOT abandon it, because it's a microcosm of the government's approach to society as a whole. They cannot ever admit that it won't work, no matter how glaringly obvious it becomes, because it then also becomes obvious that all the other government policies that criminalize people's efforts to defend themselves don't work either, and never have.

If... I hate to say it, but "when"... all this nonsense of confiscating nail clippers and penknives fails to stop another major attack, they will redouble their useless efforts, and move them into more and more areas of our lives. Look for any disagreement with, and then any questioning of the policies, to be labeled first "aiding terrorism", and then just "terrorist". If it goes on long enough, "enforcement" will be increasingly focused not on those seeking to victimize innocents, but on those who question their authority.

I don't know how this is going to fall out in the end, but when the enforcement agencies are increasingly, irrevokably committed to something that cannot work, people are going to get hurt.

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#23843 - 01/31/04 05:37 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
I am a gun owner and I do not agree with the issuance of guns to airline passengers because you are likely to encounter more mentally unstable people than you are hijackers on an airplane. You also have to understand the mechanics of guns or you will do more harm than good.

I would like to see them issue and retrieve knives with 3" to 4" very sharp blades to each passenger on every aircraft.

Try to imagine a full sized male hijacker trying to take over a plane load of little people (I believe "little" is the politcally correct term.) whose knife hands can not reach above his beltline.

If he lived, he would never sing "ALTO" again, would grow soft pectorals, lose facial hair, and have a generally more agreeable disposition.

Bountyhunter

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#23844 - 01/31/04 05:43 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
Anonymous
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I totally agree on the insanity that this has all reached, but I'm not sure that issuing knives is the answer. If this were done, it may reduce the likelyhood of a highjacking, but, the high number drunken fights that end with the perpotrator(s) being restrained, could end up being a lot worse. i.e. a stabbing. If the aggressor had a knife in his hands, I don't think he'd hessitate to use it.

Just my view.

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#23845 - 01/31/04 05:58 PM Re: Lighters, matches on planes under scrutiny now
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Ditchfield:

Mad Men and criminals will do what they do no matter how much you try to control them.

I don't know your age, but I see you live in a country where self-defence with weapons is against the law. I was born in a refugee camp in Eboli, Italy to Serbian parents in 1946. My heritage makes knives not a tool or a weapon, but merely an extension of my birthright. I am an American citizen who grew up here from the age of five years old. My heritage in Europe, and my education in the United States tells me when the masses all have the same weapons, the Mad Men, terrorists, and yes even drunks are going to be more careful about what they try to do.

Bountyhunter

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