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#236261 - 11/25/11 12:23 PM A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be
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The NYPD latest annual firearms-discharge report shows it's not like the films:

some quotes:
of 52 officers.. 'only one officer reported using the gun’s sight before firing'.

'The 33 instances in which an officer intentionally shot at a suspect last year represented a 30 percent decrease from the year before'.

'in 1971..the police in New York City fatally shot 93 people and injured 221 others.
Last year, the police shot and killed 8 people and injured 16'

'...the other lived after being struck by 23 bullets'.

'In a force of 34,565 officers, only 00.15 percent intentionally fired at people last year'.

'four officers were injured by gunfire during shootouts. Two were hurt by police bullets in [a]gun battle. One officer was shot three times when opening the door to the room of an armed suspect. Another officer was shot three times while pursuing an armed 17-year-old up a flight of stairs'.

'22 instances of unintentional discharges, including three in which officers accidentally fired while chasing suspects'.

full article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/nyregi...ml?_r=1&hpw

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#236293 - 11/25/11 06:30 PM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Very interesting...

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#236295 - 11/25/11 07:51 PM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Good info if you're planning on getting into a gunfight with a police officer. I'm more worried about what the bad guys do though.

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#236327 - 11/26/11 10:40 AM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: quick_joey_small]
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<Good info if you're planning on getting into a gunfight with a police officer. I'm more worried about what the bad guys do though>

Accidental discharges are more common than you think. So keep your gun off target till you are sure. Stairs doorways and the fellows on your side are very dangerous.
They are useful facts for anyone.
qjs

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#236328 - 11/26/11 11:00 AM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Plus, that's the stats for people with some (rudimentary) training- imagine the stats for people with none!
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#236330 - 11/26/11 11:39 AM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: quick_joey_small]
Dagny Offline
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Interesting info, thanks.

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#236331 - 11/26/11 11:56 AM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: Dagny]
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The information about use of front sights is not surprising. Police training includes the use of "point shooting," which does not involve the use of the sights at close ranges (usually seven yards or less), which is where most encounters occur. Most street gunfights are fairly high stress situations, not target practice - so I am told - I have never experienced one.
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#236333 - 11/26/11 12:26 PM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: quick_joey_small]
LesSnyder Offline
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Kyle Lamb of Viking Tactics has an excellent video (Youtube) and astute comments regarding point shooting (at less than contact distance)

Kyle is one of the premier pistol and carbine trainers in the world

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#236396 - 11/28/11 04:43 PM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: NightHiker]
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Something I read (can't recall the source) said that a big problem with "using the sights" are the low-profile sights on todays semi-auto pistols. Apparently using the older Smith & Wesson type revolvers was easier to hit targets, since they often had a large, prominent front sight.

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#236404 - 11/28/11 06:57 PM Re: A gunfight might not be like you expect it to be [Re: MDinana]
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Originally Posted By: MDinana
Something I read (can't recall the source) said that a big problem with "using the sights" are the low-profile sights on todays semi-auto pistols. Apparently using the older Smith & Wesson type revolvers was easier to hit targets, since they often had a large, prominent front sight.


Most shooters I know either buy guns with good sights or replace the sights right away when they get a new gun. My experience has been that good training helps you unmask any problems with how your sights work for you.

It was my pleasure as a range safety officer to check every gun used for competition in our league last year. Almost every one of them had what I would consider to be good sights for competition, and many of them had what I would consider to be good sights for defensive purposes as well. Personally, I buy TFO (combined tritium fiber optic) sights for my defensive pistols, making it easy for my old eyes to pick up the sights in most light conditions.

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