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#233226 - 10/04/11 04:19 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: Matt26]
Pete Offline
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That chemical fire was an education to watch. It confused even the trained firefighters. It was deceptive because at first it looked like it was confined to the building and the nearby concrete apron, then the chemicals poured SLOWLY but steadily across the concrete. And then before you know it, it's a raging inferno and they lost a whole fire truck. I'm not gonna' criticize the firefighters, because this morning they are probably sitting around and feeling terrible that they lost a $750K truck. That hurts. It just goes to show how tricky fires can be.

Did anyone notice how thick that black smoke was? Very nasty. This reminds me that I need to get my own a** moving and buy a personal hood for smoke protection. You don't want to be breathing stuff like that - probably all kinds of chemical contamination.

Pete2


Edited by Pete (10/04/11 04:20 PM)

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#233228 - 10/04/11 05:36 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: Pete]
Russ Offline
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Yep, watch the video with one eye on the clock and you'll see the fire start to move at 14 seconds into the video and by the 52 sec mark the truck is engulfed -- 38 seconds; the video ends at 1 minute & 10 seconds.
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#233234 - 10/04/11 06:31 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: Pete]
MarkO Offline
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Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 137
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: Pete
That chemical fire was an education to watch. It confused even the trained firefighters.


I work in a facility with all of the above mentioned chemicals (and a whole lot worse). We have an excellent relationship with the local FD but I think they would tell you that they will rely on us to tell them what X and Y is if there was a response.

Hazmat crews will be more comfortable with these calls but their response time is measured in hours, not minutes (4hrs I think for an initial response for my area).

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#233252 - 10/05/11 02:52 AM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: ]
Matt26 Offline
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Actually the replacement cost is about 1.5 million according to the Chief.
Firehouse article

Watch the embedded video for much more detail on the event.


Edited by Matt26 (10/05/11 02:56 AM)
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#233258 - 10/05/11 07:56 AM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: MarkO]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA

Quote:
Which was there first ? The school or the factory ?


School: records from at least 2003

Magnablend bought the property on 5-22-06

City fathers: "Which one of these suckers is going to bring in the most money?"

Cynical Sue

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#233261 - 10/05/11 09:10 AM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: MartinFocazio]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Registered: 12/03/09
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Loc: USA
I would not permit my children to attend a school so close to a facility like that.

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#233278 - 10/05/11 04:07 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: chaosmagnet]
Pete Offline
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I guess one good thing ... is that once the fire truck was in danger, the firemen didn't try to save the equipment when the situation was a lost cause. If someone had tried to jump into the cab at the last moment, they could have burned to death along with the truck. Glad that didn't happen.

Pete2

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#233328 - 10/06/11 11:21 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: MartinFocazio]
THIRDPIG Offline
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Registered: 11/26/01
Posts: 81
The truck was a 1,988 worth 100k or so I'd guess . We buy new sticks for 750k, a 24 Y/o one is not worth much.

With the jacks out,nobody could jump in and move it without first going to the rear and retracting the jacks, taking it out of interlock,pto etc.

One could Monday morning quarterback the placement of the rig (and plenty are) but I was not there so I'll hold my thoughts on that.

Although the old saying with chem./ haz mat is up hill up wind......


Edited by THIRDPIG (10/06/11 11:42 PM)

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#233329 - 10/06/11 11:38 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: THIRDPIG]
Paul810 Offline
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Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1428
Loc: NJ, USA
As far as I can tell, they did the right thing. The situation got dangerous for those responding, so they moved away to safety. No use putting a person's life in danger over some equipment.

I've seen similar things happen in construction. Guys running machines along side a ditch and the ditch starts to slowly cave in. Sometimes it's worth it to try and save the equipment, but most of the time it's better to just jump out and get away while the equipment falls in. At the end of the day, the equipment can be replaced.....the operator can't.

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#233355 - 10/07/11 07:30 PM Re: Waxahachie Fire [Re: MartinFocazio]
THIRDPIG Offline
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Registered: 11/26/01
Posts: 81
Well...its a chemical fire you do it differant( well you should anyway ). You should be ON AIR for one thing,along with upwind and uphill that way it won't be flowing towards you .You need to find out whats burning so you know if you should use water on it at all ,also with whats one fire you'll know isolation distances along with recomended fire fighting distances and on and on.

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