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#232961 - 09/29/11 06:03 PM NYT article on planing for winter storms...
TeacherRO Offline

Registered: 03/11/05
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#232965 - 09/29/11 06:19 PM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: ]
Arney Offline

Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
The solar garden lights are an interesting item. I just wonder how well they recharge in that weaker winter sun?

#232968 - 09/29/11 07:36 PM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: TeacherRO]
Dagny Offline

Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 1913
Loc: Washington, DC

That's a good start for most peops. It's not an intimidating to-do list.

The earplugs are a seriously good idea if the neighbors are running generators.

#232969 - 09/29/11 07:49 PM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: TeacherRO]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 3077
Next, food. For this, head to a camping store, which makes sense because living through a power outage is just like camping, only slightly more miserable.

In a blizzard you won’t have access to the grill, so pick up a propane camping stove (Optimus Crux Lite, $40). In a ventilated room, use it to boil water for some of the surprisingly tasty mix-and-serve meals campers live on (like AlpineAire Mountain Chili for two, $8).

This is some pretty poor advice, canned food is much much cheaper at the supermarket than specialist mountaineer freeze dried single (320kcal) servings for $8 a piece. The Optimus Cruz Lite stove is again a specialist stove requiring dedicated butane/propane cartridges, which aren't mentioned. Most folks would be better off with a cooking burner ring with a higher pot stability. A dual burner is also a lot more flexible in use for food preparations.

For emergency home use the kit can be somewhat more substantial and for winter backup a double gas burner, a portable heater and a LPG portable Lantern based on domestic 15Kg LPG bottles make much more sense.




An ice storm can leave folks without electrical power for a couple of weeks rather than just a day or two as described in the NYT article.

Using a high fuel consumption gennie to produce electricity, which is then used to turn back into heat is a very poor solution anyway. i.e. if there was a prolonged electricity outage in winter (more than a few weeks) and everyone was reliant on liquid petroleum fuels for their gennie then going down to the gas station probably means taking along the AK/AR as well etc. eek

What is missing from the list is some good warm clothing and some additional bedding such as a good duvet (>12 tog). If the house temperature falls below around 10-12C for a long period it starts to get pretty uncomfortable even with a warm woolly jumper on. Fingerless gloves are also another useful item in cold indoor conditions.

Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (09/29/11 11:18 PM)

#232972 - 09/29/11 10:11 PM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
hikermor Offline
Geezer in Chief

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 6292
Loc: southern Cal
I agree with AFLM; there is no need to resort to freeze dried items. Realize that you may well be short of water, needed for the FD items. You are much better off with canned goods, which contain their own liquid. in addition, there are all sorts of tasty, nutritious recipes which can be made from regular supermarket items which are far cheaper; I don't resort that often to FD food, even when backpacking.
Geezer in Chief

#232986 - 09/30/11 01:06 AM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: TeacherRO]
Susan Offline

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
+1 on canned foods.

Another reason is that they are familiar, both in preparation and taste. Feeding the kids foods that they're used to eating will help to alleviate a certain amount of stress.

Just stock up on more of what you usually use, and have a nice variety. Normal food, LED headlamps, board games = something closer to camping out than a weather-related disaster.

For the more high-falutin', stock up on a nice French paté and good crackers, and a nice wine. The rest of us can have Spam and Ritz. (Found both on sale yesterday... wahoo!)


#232989 - 09/30/11 02:50 AM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: Susan]
Richlacal Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 778
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Don't forget the canned-B&M brown bread w/or w/o raisins,makes xlnt frenchtoast too!

#232992 - 09/30/11 03:16 AM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: TeacherRO]
LesSnyder Offline

Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1498
Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
if you are not a propane user, a couple of comments...I switched from the Coleman fuel type lights/camp stoves about 15years ago... some suggestions..

a minimum of 3 of the bulk cylinders (nominally around 25#)... allows overlap in case access to refill is temporarily interrupted

if you loan a cylinder to a friend, ask that they not "exchange" the cylinder... if they wish to refill it, refill your cylinder

a plastic bulk cylinder "caddy" makes vehicle transport safer

a long stem gas grill hand igniter saves singed hair....a brass wrench adds a degree of safety... remember the threads are left handed

an adapter to refill the 1# cylinders work pretty well...outside.. if possible cold soak the small cylinders in a freezer for a day or two...invert the 25# cylinder to get as much liquid transferred as possible...if the Schrader valve in the 1# cylinder has a slight leak (water test it), put it in an appliance as the seal with the appliance is usually better...a pretty good percentages of the cylinders tend to leak when refilled...

I shy away from the mantle lanterns due to excessive heat (which would benefit a cold room but not a hot tropical house)and fragile mantles... I like kerosene and LED lanterns

some appliances (catalytic heaters for example) do not recommend attachment to a bulk cylinder...but an adapter hose to the double burner stove saves refilling cylinders..

a single burner camp style stove attached to a vertical 1# cylinder with a plastic support ring is top heavy if you are trying to boil water, just asking for a spill (BTDT)

If you have a Coleman style double burner stove that uses Coleman fuel, an adapter is available for about $15 to convert it to propane

currently use...(2) Mr Heater single units that fit on bulk bottles, (2) catalytic heaters that use 1# bottles, double burner camp stove, small "tail gate" grill, single burner stove, propane mantle lamp...the big grill and fish cooker are back up if a lot of perishable foods need to be cooked

I have a Trangia alcohol stove and a GI multi fuel stove as back up

#232994 - 09/30/11 03:32 AM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: LesSnyder]
Susan Offline

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Les: if you loan a cylinder to a friend, ask that they not "exchange" the cylinder... if they wish to refill it, refill your cylinder

Why is this? What is the difference?


#232996 - 09/30/11 06:01 AM Re: NYT article on planing for winter storms... [Re: TeacherRO]
Phaedrus Offline

Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 2091
Loc: Great Plains
Probably because your new/good cylinder is a known quantity. The exchange might have come from someone's 10 year old gas grill with rusty, bent up tank.
“You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions.” Naguib Mahfouz

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