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#204615 - 07/12/10 04:47 PM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Hikin_Jim Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
Does anyone use an active solar power cooling solution i.e. such as a 12W Sunlinq flexible solar panel and a 12V fan such as a lightweight 120mm 10W 150CFM computer fan?

i.e. a variation such as shown here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RULZgfeYJ4E
Interesting. Might be really nice for car camping. Wouldn't dream of it if I had to carry it.

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#204631 - 07/12/10 10:33 PM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: Hikin_Jim]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Registered: 08/03/07
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The Sunlinq weighs 360 grams and a 120 mm computer case fan Delta AFB1212SHE weighs 256 grams

Total weight including cables would be around 650 grams or about 1lb 7oz. Not to much to keep cool especially when you consider the amount of clothing and sleeping bag etc that is used to keep warm.

BTW has anyone tried out a Simply cool active neck scarf or Cobber body cooling neck wrap

Combined with a little water (if water is scarce) and active airflow 150CFM the combination of the neck scarf could be a reasonably lightweight (i.e. less than 2lbs weight) and efficient means of cooling down the onset of a 'crockpot brain'



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (07/12/10 10:34 PM)

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#204632 - 07/12/10 10:42 PM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: CANOEDOGS]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Quote:
just a couple comments..this is not a media report but a first person account. also folks who don't know about this area have the idea that the water,like the water in their home lakes is not fit to drink.wrong,really wrong,except for some nasty moose bog maybe.


Water, water everywhere nor any drop to drink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMtVfpGhzaw

Sorry there was no sarcasm smilie. wink







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#204637 - 07/13/10 02:04 AM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Hikin_Jim Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
Total weight including cables would be around 650 grams or about 1lb 7oz.
I think I'd rather have the pound and a half off my back in hot weather, but each to his own.

My summer sleeping bag weighs 1lb 3oz just for comparative purposes.

It is an interesting idea. A bit of refinement might really wind up being interesting.

HJ
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#204639 - 07/13/10 02:33 AM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: CANOEDOGS]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
It seems that they should have instigated STOP before they needed to trigger SPOT.

No, a member of your group is feeling/acting funny, just keep going in the heat.

Keep going until he drops.

Refuse offers of assistance.

Cry for help.

Dumb.

Sue, who tries to travel only with people with sense

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#204640 - 07/13/10 02:39 AM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: Hikin_Jim]
chickenlittle Offline
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Registered: 06/06/10
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Loc: Canada
All this talk about heat stroke and hydration is leaving me a bit confused.
There was a whole lake to swim in if you needed to cool off.
Even if you just dunked your arms and head the cooling effect would be quite strong.
No drinking water is a bit nuts though. Unless they intended to drink lake they should have had water, and even if they were not thinking about drinking lake water they should have a water treatment plan.

Cuppa tea?


I think Sue has a very good point.
It makes me wonder if they were even aware of the signs of heat distress.


Edited by chickenlittle (07/13/10 02:41 AM)

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#204652 - 07/13/10 06:40 AM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: chickenlittle]
comms Offline
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Registered: 07/23/08
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Loc: Mesa, AZ
I have a couple of those neck coolers. Not great but do in a pinch. They are 1 trick ponys so best for urban settings, like spectating at sports events. I wouldn't turn one down if it was offered.
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#204796 - 07/16/10 02:46 PM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: CANOEDOGS]
Outdoor_Quest Offline
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Registered: 08/17/09
Posts: 305
Loc: Central Oregon
The media didn't get it right with regard to the SPOT.

You power it on and select 911 and your local SAR coordinator will receive position info.

It pretty straight forward.


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#204823 - 07/17/10 12:25 AM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: Outdoor_Quest]
Doug_Ritter Offline

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Originally Posted By: Outdoor_Quest

You power it on and select 911 and your local SAR coordinator will receive position info.

It pretty straight forward.



Clarification: Only if it gets a GPS position. First gen SPOTs have less capable GPS. Second gen do much better. Also, it's 911 on first gen SPOTs, SOS on second gen SPOTs.
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#204825 - 07/17/10 12:56 AM Re: SPOT rescue in canoe country [Re: Hikin_Jim]
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Originally Posted By: Hikin_Jim
Sounds like they didn't know what they were doing. In the first place they should have had water. Period. Anyone with any experience at all knows that. HJ


I'm with Canoedogs on this issue. I have canoed the BWCA for 5 days straight without a drop of carried-in water. Just dipped a plastic cup over the side whenever I wanted and took a long cold drink of glacier water. Do I advise anyone to do this? No, but I did it for years. Mild filtration or heat treatment totally eliminates the need to carry water there.
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