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#205561 - 08/04/10 02:13 AM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: StephanieM]
Phaedrus Offline
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Alcohol has such a high affinity for water that no amount of boiling will remove it all. I think you need a centrifuge for that.
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#205562 - 08/04/10 02:36 AM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: acropolis5]
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Originally Posted By: acropolis5
I was under the impression that "water purifiers" such as the General Ecology, First Need Deluxe and the Katadyn, Exsteam XR, would remove chemicals as well, basically making post Katrina like flood water drinkable. Am I incorrect?
Yes, you are incorrect. Bio contaminants, yes. Chemicals, no.

HJ
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#205563 - 08/04/10 02:38 AM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

Ray Mears shows an improvised water column filter i.e. PET bottle with the cut top off stuffed with charcoal, sand, peat and sphagnum moss etc. This is reduce a lot of chemical contamination.
"A lot?" I wonder if "a lot" would be "enough" (to make it safe to drink).

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#206093 - 08/13/10 06:37 PM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: acropolis5]
TANSTAF1 Offline
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Registered: 07/27/10
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Loc: Born in ME, in exile in MA
Many will remove suspended particles or chemicals, but not dissolved ones.

This is probably the best there is, but even it is not going to remove dissolved chemicals:

http://www.lifesaversystems.com/techinfo.html

But at $150 it's pricey.

A good and cheaper one ($60) is (although I wish it had a carbon filter in addition to ):

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sawyer-Water-P...4#ProductDetail

It filters to .02 microns so it removes viruses as well.

Do they make portable reverse osmosis systems?





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#206130 - 08/14/10 06:13 AM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: TANSTAF1]
Phaedrus Offline
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Are you sure? I think the Livesaver does have a charcoal component that will remove some chemicals. Unless I'm misreading it somehow.
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#206183 - 08/15/10 12:05 AM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: Phaedrus]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
If you're aiming at using a particular water source that is near to you, why not find out NOW what you are likely to be dealing with?

Contact your local water board and see if they have any test results on chemical contamination (it should be public info). Biological contamination can be taken care of with boiling, it's the other junk that's the danger. And 'the other junk' also includes water contaminants that come from natural soil.

If they don't have any test results, ask them why not? And ask them if they would consider doing some.

The last resort would be to have the testing done yourself, which could be expensive. But don't just take a jar of river water to a testing facility and ask for a basic test -- all you get for your $10 or so is usually a fecal coliform test.

Sue

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#206264 - 08/16/10 02:44 PM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: salesguy]
acropolis5 Offline
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Registered: 06/18/06
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Salesguy, I have the same issue. My solution, so far, is the deluxe version of the General Ecology hand pump "purifiers". GE told me, in a telephone conversation, that the filters(unused) have an indefinite shelf life. I did not independently corroborate this advice. I also use the Katadyn "purifier" bottles with the Virustat a addition, for lightweight kits. Finally, in the ultralight category, I use the straw "purifier" sold by BQ and others.

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#206273 - 08/16/10 05:14 PM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: acropolis5]
TANSTAF1 Offline
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Registered: 07/27/10
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Loc: Born in ME, in exile in MA
Yes, I believe the Lifesaver does have a charcoal filter. It and even others without one will remove some chemicals, but not if they are dissolved. For instance, none that I am aware of will turn salt water into potable fresh water.

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#206325 - 08/17/10 02:50 PM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: salesguy]
acropolis5 Offline
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Registered: 06/18/06
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Hikin Jim, thanx for the heads-up. But, here's why I made the assumption. The GE First Need site, under the category "Why are we different", states that the purifier removes many "organic and inorganic chemicals..". Now I'm confused. I looked at the research published on their site and it only covers biological contaminants. Hummm?

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#206331 - 08/17/10 04:21 PM Re: PURIFICATION, OF WATER [Re: acropolis5]
TANSTAF1 Offline
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Registered: 07/27/10
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Anyone getting a water filter should make sure they are NSF 42 and 53 certified.

Here are some of the chemicals and percent reductions that NSF 53 certified filters meet:

Asbestos 99%
Benzene 99%
Carbon Tetrachloride 98%
Chlordane 99.5%
Chloroform (TTHM)* (surrogate chemical) 99.8%
Ethylbenzene 99%
Ethylene Dibromide (EDB) 99%
Lead (pH 6.5) 99.3%
Lead (pH 8.5) 99.3%
Mercury (pH 6.5) 99%
Mercury (pH 8.5) 99%
Toluene (Methylbenzene) 99%

Go to NSF.org for the longer more complete list.

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