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#200689 - 04/21/10 04:39 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Arney Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
Russian Intel reporting 2 million unexplained deaths in the USA since 2008.

Two million? Two million Americans die in any given year. So somehow half the Americans that died the last two years were "unexplained"? I must've been asleep at the switch. I missed all those unexplained deaths.

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#200690 - 04/21/10 05:07 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Arney]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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A quick look at the CDC website would have put this story to bed (unless of course, there was a government wide cover up wink ) Typically the death rate in the US is around 8.4 per 1000 giving around 2.5 million deaths per year. The supposed Russian intel story would have raised the rate to 3.5 million per year or 11.6 per 1000. The additional mortality rate supposedly being caused by an explained jump in lung diseases caused by GMO environmental issues. The CDC has not yet published mortality rates yet for 2008 and 2009 for some reason on their website.

I guess the easiest way to find out would be to contact the local funeral directors and see if business has picked up by about 30% in the last couple of years. Thats how they caught Harold Shipman.



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (04/21/10 05:08 PM)

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#200691 - 04/21/10 05:33 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Arney Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
The supposed Russian intel story would have raised the rate to 3.5 million per year or 11.6 per 1000.

Only if the men in white jumpsuits and respirators don't whisk away the bodies first, before they are ever officially counted...

Honestly, as I was reading the article, I was waiting for the part where they mention chemtrails or the collapse of honey bee colonies. How many different conspiracy theories can you string together in a single news story?

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#200693 - 04/21/10 05:43 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Arney]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Quote:
I was waiting for the part where they mention chemtrails


I haven't seen any Chemtrails in this part of the world for the past 5 or 6 days now. Although the sun does appear to be somewhat brighter than usual. Must have alleviated the Global Dimming locally for a short period despite the invisible volcanic ash cloud. laugh



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (04/21/10 11:06 PM)

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#200695 - 04/21/10 06:22 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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There are quite a few lessons here for those interested in spotting more bogus articles. Notice how the style of writing lends an air of credibility to it. Lots of high-tech sounding terms. Lots of numbers. I am surprised those doesn't have more decimals with them, that adds to credibility. Don't write 99%, write 98.96% or 99.36%. Since you're just making up bogus numbers, add some decimals as it adds an impression of precision. And quote lots of sources. Nobody bothers to check sources anyway, so you may as well make up many of those. And ... notice how the quoted sources don't all agree with each other, but that's fine, a little intellectual disagreement just adds to the flair.


Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
The supposed Russian intel story would have raised the rate to 3.5 million per year


Not quite. The wording is a 40% increase in "sudden deaths" with about 1 mill "sudden deaths" per year as net result. Not 1 mill increase.


Quote:
supported by American death statistics showing that of the nearly 2.5 million deaths reported by them each year the number of “sudden deaths” has increased to 40% equaling out to over 2 million “mysterious and unexplained” deaths from early 2008 to March, 2010.


"normal sudden death rate" times 1.4 = 1 mill /year

Which gives a "normal" sudden death rate = 714.000 each year. Out of 2.5 millions, or 29%. So roughly a bit less than 1/3 of all U.S. deaths in any given year are "sudden". Of course, as "sudden" is not defined it could mean just anything.

I am sure someone here will have the intellectual curiosity to check the U.S. death toll numbers for 2007 or earlier. I would be very surprised if the 714.000 "sudden death" has anything to do with reality.


Oh, nearly forgot: That would increase the total death toll from 2.5 millions to almost 2.8 millions. There should be 285.000 more U.S. citizens dying "suddenly" each year. Where's my tin foil hat when I need it...?


Edited by MostlyHarmless (04/21/10 06:25 PM)

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#200697 - 04/21/10 07:05 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: MostlyHarmless]
Arney Offline
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Originally Posted By: MostlyHarmless
There are quite a few lessons here for those interested in spotting more bogus articles.

Thank you. I totally agree, that is, 99.999% agree. (100% agreement would be an obvious sign of intellectual laziness on my part and not seriously thinking about what you wrote, after all) wink

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#200700 - 04/21/10 09:08 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Arney]
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Used to be the National Enquirer would located the made up stories in a remote part of China or Russia. Something along the lines of 'Two-Headed boy born in Siberia'. Weird things happening in weird places. It also made the stories harder to check. Russia was 'behind the iron curtain'.

I suspect that when Russian creative writers wish to place their fantasies in an exotic location on the map the Good-old USA seems quite remote. Siberia and China are right next door so they won't do the trick. The US is, by international norms quite an oddball nation and full of contradictions. Big cities but wide open spaces. Cowboys and universities. High-tech with an open contempt for knowledge and learning. Always looking like we are about to explode into riot and revolution it has been looked that way for most of our 244 years.

So making up lies about millions of Americans dying from mysterious causes sounds almost plausible.

It is somewhat comforting to see that it isn't just the US that has more than its fair share of bogus media outlets pedaling creative writing as news.

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#200703 - 04/21/10 09:55 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Art_in_FL]
LED Offline
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Funny, the real stories make conspiracy theories look tame by comparison.

MRSA in hospitals and animal farms
Inevitable water crisis in the US southwest
Aging infrastructure (water, sewage, bridges)
National Debt
Rising global demand for energy
etc.
etc.



Boy, now I really am scared. eek


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#200705 - 04/21/10 10:29 PM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: LED]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Originally Posted By: LED
Funny, the real stories make conspiracy theories look tame by comparison.


that is what gets me about conspiracy theories and these sorts of imaginative screeds. They distract away from real issues and things that deserve serious debate and discussion.

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#200711 - 04/22/10 12:20 AM Re: Russia reporting 2 million unexplained US deat [Re: Art_in_FL]
Tarzan Offline
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Registered: 02/02/08
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Loc: Washington
April Foolski????

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