Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Page 5 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 >
Topic Options
#181689 - 09/08/09 08:01 PM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Lono]
Tjin Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 1772
Originally Posted By: Lono
Originally Posted By: PC2K

Actual preparedness education has very little effect. This makes it very hard for any organisation to change human behavior. So i agree with the guy on what the ideal world would be. But how?


This isn't a very developed thought - but the preparedness on this site didn't spring from no where. Most of us had an Aha! moment after a storm, fire or accident. Some of us picked it up in the military, or in training for specialized jobs (EMT, firefighter, oil field worker) where from the first day we got it. Granted a fair number of us were raised in a preparedness environment, which if everyone still came from such a place the situation might be different. Many folks though have their scariest preparedness moments behind the wheel along I-405 every morning - where's my coffee, calling the office on my cell phone, better turn up the heat or AC some more. All while driving along at 45 mph 20 feet behind the next Chevy Tahoe, no concept of the everyday proximity of death and danger outside their moving door. You want to foster the Aha! moment in people who otherwise won't get it - because if they don't have a moment of clarity, when disaster strikes they will be waiting for the chow line to form on the street corner, or to pillage their neighbor's supplies.

So start with something small, and immediate - hurricane season, tornado alley for some, winter storms and floods in the North. The weather, as bad as it can get. Most people get that. If its a regular event, more people will get ready, or at least readier than they were.


Well it was mine conclusion after doing a literature review of over 15 international scientific research papers. (very boring to read...) Getting people in that "aha" moment is the hard part. Once people "get it", than it becomes much easier.

Campaigns to educate citizens can actually be counterproductive. Many people will trust the government and its message less, when they think the government exaggerate the danger (they think of secret agendas, etc). Some people will not prepare because they think the government is doing enough, because of the campaigns. But obviously no education won't work either. It's a much harder issue than most people think. Many studies (british, swedisch, dutch) have show very little or a reduction of prepardness due to due to goverment prepardness campaigns. (Does not have to mean it applies to other countries) So what would a effective meassure? I haven't found any really effective onces. (bad) Personal experians with disasters seems to be the most effective, but should rescue personal stand on the side during a emergency to "teach citizens a lesson"? Not a likely scenario...

I have worked with the emergency communication department of the Dutch ministry of internal affairs and also the emergency communication people for a "safety region". Plenty of people giving the emergency preparedness information, are them self not prepared. The percentage is lower than the public, though. This is also reflected by many emergency workers (fire, medical, law enforcement) in mine country.


Edited by PC2K (09/08/09 08:07 PM)
_________________________


Top
#181692 - 09/08/09 08:16 PM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Tjin]
dweste Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 02/16/08
Posts: 2463
Loc: Central California
Reward preparedness with discounts on licenses and fees for using the outdoors, launch ramps, and other public facilities.

Top
#181757 - 09/09/09 02:22 AM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: dweste]
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
The whole preparedness thing is often too much for many people to handle. Even if they have a bit of interest, it appears too complicated. And if they google 'survival', they get lots of strange stuff with weird people: knife people, gun people, the Burt Gummer overkill effect. To them, it looks scary. People don't usually embrace scary.

If you want to get your point across to someone, try to make it ONE point, not fifty. And make it personal to them, a need that they can understand. Once they can see the need and prepare for it, they can take one more step and deal with something else.

K.I.S.S.

Top
#181769 - 09/09/09 04:12 AM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Susan]
James_Van_Artsdalen Offline
Addict

Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 449
Loc: Texas
Another problem to overcome with some people is what I call the "gambler mentality" - someone into behavioral psychology might know the right name.

The gambler will lock onto a reward or favorable outcome and will ignore everything that doesn't lead to the reward, even if the reward is not the most likely outcome. Vegas slot machines are the obvious example but there are plenty more in the way people leveraged up to buy houses before the recession etc, not to mention the ways that financial institutions managed their risk portfolios prior until last year. As long as the reward is achievable it overshadows all other outcomes, however probable.

My guess is that preparedness in general faces at least a mild form of this in most people: it requires some time and a little money, and most people can't see "being prepared" as a reward, just as an expense. It's that reward/expense perception that's hard to change and until you do there's a bit of the gambler mentality involved.

Top
#181771 - 09/09/09 04:31 AM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Susan]
Tjin Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 1772
Originally Posted By: dweste
Reward preparedness with discounts on licenses and fees for using the outdoors, launch ramps, and other public facilities.


first issue with this idea, is the limit target group. Preparedness should be a aimed at all citizens of a country, not just outdoor people. (outdoor people also seems to be better prepared...)So rewards should be aimed for the general public.

Any rewarding system would require the government to:
- Quantify "preparedness". They could make a list of essential equipment (although people are different, so will there equipment be), but what about plans and mental preparedness?
- Inspect people being "prepared", before giving a reward. (if not, it would be open to fraud)
- Checking/Maintain people's "preparedness", by inspecting people's preparedness every X year. If not, than there would be no system to maintain the level of preparedness.
- Funds to pay for the system and the rewards (read: taxpayer)
- Getting multiple government levels to work with each other. (read: time consuming)

that the list i can list before having morning coffee. Besides rewards as a tool has shown mixed results. Rewards generally causes people to do things for the reward itself, not the thing we want them to do (being prepared). So it is highly likely than some people would do the minimum to get the reward and not actually prepared

Originally Posted By: Susan
The whole preparedness thing is often too much for many people to handle. Even if they have a bit of interest, it appears too complicated. And if they google 'survival', they get lots of strange stuff with weird people: knife people, gun people, the Burt Gummer overkill effect. To them, it looks scary. People don't usually embrace scary.

If you want to get your point across to someone, try to make it ONE point, not fifty. And make it personal to them, a need that they can understand. Once they can see the need and prepare for it, they can take one more step and deal with something else.

K.I.S.S.


Good point Susan, but that is something what is known. That's why the government is educating people for the most likely events, telling people what effect a disaster can have on them and what they can do. It does not seem to be really effective. A problem with such a approach is that, it is not always possible to know what effect a disaster can have and what people can really do to protect them self. So it get impersonal rather quickly.

I'm just pointing out that is really isn't that easy for a goverment to get people to prepare. It's easy to come up with a plan, but turning a plan in to a workable and effective solution is a lot harder than most people think. It is hard enough to get family and friend to prepare, now think of a entire country on a limited budget...


Edited by PC2K (09/09/09 04:41 AM)
_________________________


Top
#181785 - 09/09/09 02:05 PM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Tjin]
scafool Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 12/18/08
Posts: 1534
Loc: Muskoka
I think you bring up an interesting problem PC2K.
I find a lot of people think about emergency preparations in terms of the whole "End Of The World As We Know It" situation.
But real world emergencies are more likely to be accidents that result from a chain of small events.

I try to get people to think about being prepared for the little emergencies.
Stuff like getting a bad cut at work, having a flat tire on a seldom traveled road, and all that kind of stuff.
It seems like a good place to start people off and if you can get the attitude about being prepared at that level it becomes easy to expand it to cover having a weeks groceries, water and a way to cook food in case the power goes out and other preparations for larger emergencies.

One thing I have seen are schools getting the children to do inventories on their own homes. They look for things like escape routes if there is a fire, muster points where they go to if they have to evacuate, first aid kits, first aid training.
The school also taught them how to do a hazard assessment as part of it.
The odd part of doing this was that the parents learned from their children because it was a homework assignment the children needed help with to complete.
_________________________
May set off to explore without any sense of direction or how to return.

Top
#181789 - 09/09/09 02:55 PM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: scafool]
Lono Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 1013
Loc: Pacific NW, USA
The whole "I don't trust the government" aspect of public preparedness is interesting, I'm catching some of that right now as I talk to groups about preparing for possible Howard Hansen dam floods this winter, (and the next 3-5 yrs). We are trying to prepare people for flooding in an area that hasn't experienced any in modern memory (since the 50s) - 2-10 feet through a valley with alot of people, critical infrastructure and industrial that wasn't there in the last flood. It's a simple equation, a matter of how much water a dam can hold, a matter of basic hydraulics - if it rains enough the rain will come downstream and flood xx hectares to yy depth. But the response of some (not all) is one of suspicion - that County bureaucrats are using the problems with Howard Hansen for their own ends - for money, for control of the population, but ultimately for a very illogical messing up society in a very significant way. I would consider these people to be raving space loons if it wasn't part of my responsibility to disavow them of their ideas, and get them to prepare themselves and their families for moving out of the way of all that water. Otherwise, they may be coming to the Red Cross, and expecting food and shelter. In the end all I can do is warn them to prepare, and those that listen should have a bed of their own ready for their kids above the floodline, those that won't will have a tougher time. Its difficult to get through to people so mad at their government that they won't act to help themselves.

Top
#181842 - 09/09/09 09:53 PM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Susan]
Nicodemus Offline
Paranoid?
Veteran

Registered: 10/30/05
Posts: 1341
Loc: Virginia, US
Originally Posted By: Susan
The whole preparedness thing is often too much for many people to handle. Even if they have a bit of interest, it appears too complicated.


I think this is a good point. If someone were to look at where I am now in terms of preparedness and didn't know the individual steps I took to get here, I could easily imagine it would appear to be a near Herculean feat not to mention a ridiculously expensive endeavor. And even though most people suggest taking small steps, if the steps aren't laid out it can appear to be too much of a task.
_________________________
"Learn survival skills when your life doesn't depend on it."

Top
#181862 - 09/10/09 12:46 AM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: James_Van_Artsdalen]
MDinana Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2186
Loc: Bluegrass
Originally Posted By: James_Van_Artsdalen
Another problem to overcome with some people is what I call the "gambler mentality" - someone into behavioral psychology might know the right name.

I'm not sure if it's the official psychosocial title, but in Biology classes this tended to fall under Game Theory. Which I was kinda/sorta lost in.

Top
#181931 - 09/10/09 11:52 PM Re: 72 vs. 96 Hours (LONG post) [Re: Nicodemus]
2005RedTJ Offline
Addict

Registered: 01/07/09
Posts: 475
Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
Originally Posted By: Nicodemus
Originally Posted By: Susan
The whole preparedness thing is often too much for many people to handle. Even if they have a bit of interest, it appears too complicated.


I think this is a good point. If someone were to look at where I am now in terms of preparedness and didn't know the individual steps I took to get here, I could easily imagine it would appear to be a near Herculean feat not to mention a ridiculously expensive endeavor. And even though most people suggest taking small steps, if the steps aren't laid out it can appear to be too much of a task.


That's the same scenario as myself and a lot of my friend's situation with our offroad vehicles. People think we have sunk a lot of money into building them, when most of the stuff was done over time with free or cheap parts.

My BOB and home emergency supplies are getting the same way. Add one thing here and there and it adds up over time.

Top
Page 5 of 6 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 >



Moderator:  MartinFocazio, Tyber 
March
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31
Who's Online
1 registered (haertig), 236 Guests and 15 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Tauricornous, Jackandco, lis, Dystor, marco234
5306 Registered Users
Newest Posts
Donating Gloves & Masks
by Russ
04:37 PM
Zippo in the game
by KenK
04:08 PM
And, now a wee bit of entertainment...
by brandtb
12:34 PM
Condom Shortage?
by brandtb
12:28 PM
The [Stuff] Just Got Real
by Chisel
06:54 AM
Helping our ETS Community
by Phaedrus
07:32 AM
Onward
by Phaedrus
07:29 AM
Things I have learned recently
by gulliamo
03/27/20 01:41 PM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.