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#177428 - 07/23/09 06:06 PM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Todd W]
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Originally Posted By: Todd W
Are The Netherlands really strict on knife carry?



Yep, as is the greater part of Europe. I always carry a knife and multitool, but unfortunatly without a locking blade.

In the car there are leather gloves and a fire extinguisher and two glassbreakers.

The gloves come in handy in a lot of other situations too.

Good job from those fireman. But I guess they will start on carrying a knife.

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#177448 - 07/24/09 12:16 AM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Eugene]
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Originally Posted By: Eugene


Most windshields are not held in by a gasket anymore. My FIL does auto glass, they have all kinds of fancy tools now to remove windshields. They are held in place pretty much by glue/sealant and you cannon remove them without cutting that glue, and its a lot of work to cut that glue/sealant all the way around to get the broken windshields out.


Have you tried pulling a smashed windshield recently? Once you shatter it you CAN rip it out and it WILL tear free of the glue. This isn't my opinion, this is my experience. I've done this. More than a few times. In emergencies. We actually prefer to NOT use glass saws now as they raise issues of silicosis from the glass dust. Smash and rip. This was my training in Summer 2008.

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#177449 - 07/24/09 12:21 AM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Lono]
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Originally Posted By: Lono
Almost forgot - for cutting seatbelts I can give a big thumbs up to the Benchmade rescue hook, http://www.thefirestore.com/store/category.cfm/cid_1347_seat_belt_cutters/. That's in my glove compartment. I've tried it in a training rescue and it was like slicing through butter. The training officer liked it too, almost walked away with it...


that's in my car. A nice tool. I've used it "in real life". Works as advertised. I don't keep in in the glove box I keep it in the door compartment, it's easier to get to. All my "immediate" stuff except the fire extinguiser is in the driver's side door compartment.

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#177470 - 07/24/09 07:22 AM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: MartinFocazio]
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Originally Posted By: martinfocazio
Originally Posted By: Eugene


Most windshields are not held in by a gasket anymore. My FIL does auto glass, they have all kinds of fancy tools now to remove windshields. They are held in place pretty much by glue/sealant and you cannon remove them without cutting that glue, and its a lot of work to cut that glue/sealant all the way around to get the broken windshields out.


Have you tried pulling a smashed windshield recently? Once you shatter it you CAN rip it out and it WILL tear free of the glue. This isn't my opinion, this is my experience. I've done this. More than a few times. In emergencies. We actually prefer to NOT use glass saws now as they raise issues of silicosis from the glass dust. Smash and rip. This was my training in Summer 2008.


Martin - Thanks for that first hand account with the glass and how to man handle it!


Edited by Todd W (07/24/09 07:22 AM)
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#177482 - 07/24/09 11:32 AM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: MartinFocazio]
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Originally Posted By: martinfocazio
Originally Posted By: Eugene


Most windshields are not held in by a gasket anymore. My FIL does auto glass, they have all kinds of fancy tools now to remove windshields. They are held in place pretty much by glue/sealant and you cannon remove them without cutting that glue, and its a lot of work to cut that glue/sealant all the way around to get the broken windshields out.


Have you tried pulling a smashed windshield recently? Once you shatter it you CAN rip it out and it WILL tear free of the glue. This isn't my opinion, this is my experience. I've done this. More than a few times. In emergencies. We actually prefer to NOT use glass saws now as they raise issues of silicosis from the glass dust. Smash and rip. This was my training in Summer 2008.


This is what my FIL tells me, he replaces glass several times a day. He has some fancy $500 reciprocating saw looking tool with a thinner blade with very fine teeth that more like vibrates than cuts to cut through the glue but he can't use that on very many cars, most he still has to use the hand tools. He has to buy shirts a couple sizes larger because hig upper arms are so large from tugging on those cutting tools. He's complained about the new glued in windshelds for a long time now since they are so hard to get out.

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#177494 - 07/24/09 02:06 PM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Eugene]
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Originally Posted By: Eugene
Originally Posted By: martinfocazio
Originally Posted By: Eugene


Most windshields are not held in by a gasket anymore. My FIL does auto glass, they have all kinds of fancy tools now to remove windshields. They are held in place pretty much by glue/sealant and you cannon remove them without cutting that glue, and its a lot of work to cut that glue/sealant all the way around to get the broken windshields out.


Have you tried pulling a smashed windshield recently? Once you shatter it you CAN rip it out and it WILL tear free of the glue. This isn't my opinion, this is my experience. I've done this. More than a few times. In emergencies. We actually prefer to NOT use glass saws now as they raise issues of silicosis from the glass dust. Smash and rip. This was my training in Summer 2008.


This is what my FIL tells me, he replaces glass several times a day. He has some fancy $500 reciprocating saw looking tool with a thinner blade with very fine teeth that more like vibrates than cuts to cut through the glue but he can't use that on very many cars, most he still has to use the hand tools. He has to buy shirts a couple sizes larger because hig upper arms are so large from tugging on those cutting tools. He's complained about the new glued in windshelds for a long time now since they are so hard to get out.



I believe the difference in windshield removal here is the end use. If one wants a surface that is ready for a professional re-installation of a windshield for the vehicle owner/operator, then the proper tool and due diligence is required during the removal. If one is trying to extricate the owner/operator from an already wrecked or burning vehicle, the ability to re-install a windshield is on zero concern.

BTW, unplanned and inexperienced field testing has shown me that a windshield can be ripped out after breaking it, but it is a lot of work for one out of shape man and a 14 y/o boy. Oh yeah, good gloves help also....


Edited by Desperado (07/24/09 02:07 PM)
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#177518 - 07/24/09 04:50 PM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
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Ah yes, what we need is another government requirement!

Yes, a Rescue Hammer and a fire extingusher should be carried, but Please, not a mandate.
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#177564 - 07/25/09 01:11 AM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Grouch]
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In my glove box are gloves, flashlight, eye protection, mask and a seat belt cutter. On the floor, in front of the front seat is a standard fire ext. (mounted to the floor). In the trunk are another ext., first aid, and a WWII one handed fire axe (plus lots more for other types of emergencies.

The axe is GREAT for opening cars, windshield or sheet metal (LOTS slower). It smashes and cuts the laminate at the same time. Can also be used to pry or pull glass out of the way. Also great for prying.

Knives are in my pockets. Except in the secure areas of airports and on airliners :-(((.

Jerry


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#177791 - 07/27/09 01:31 PM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: Eugene]
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Originally Posted By: Eugene

This is what my FIL tells me, he replaces glass several times a day. He has some fancy $500 reciprocating saw looking tool with a thinner blade with very fine teeth that more like vibrates than cuts to cut through the glue but he can't use that on very many cars, most he still has to use the hand tools. He has to buy shirts a couple sizes larger because hig upper arms are so large from tugging on those cutting tools. He's complained about the new glued in windshelds for a long time now since they are so hard to get out.


Oh, yeah, those are great - if you care to keep the car intact. In a rescue situation it's totally different - you no longer care about the car, so you do things - ahem - quickly.

Picture this - you smash a line along the headliner and the dashboard- then you smash a vertical line so now you have a door-like solid section of glass. Punch a few holes in the upper and lower corners and PULL. If it does not rip out right away, smash a little more along your previous lines. Punch a few holes in there. A Stanley FUBAR tool is great for this too. With 2-3 strong people you can tear the window to a point where it flops open like a hinged door. You use the glue to your advantage to give you a swinging door. It's not EASY but it is possible.

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#177876 - 07/28/09 12:40 AM Re: CARRY A KNIFE. ALWAYS. EVERYWHERE. [Re: MartinFocazio]
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Registered: 12/26/02
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Originally Posted By: martinfocazio


Oh, yeah, those are great - if you care to keep the car intact. In a rescue situation it's totally different - you no longer care about the car, so you do things - ahem - quickly.

Picture this - you smash a line along the headliner and the dashboard- then you smash a vertical line so now you have a door-like solid section of glass. Punch a few holes in the upper and lower corners and PULL. If it does not rip out right away, smash a little more along your previous lines. Punch a few holes in there. A Stanley FUBAR tool is great for this too. With 2-3 strong people you can tear the window to a point where it flops open like a hinged door. You use the glue to your advantage to give you a swinging door. It's not EASY but it is possible.


OK, thats different than pulling at out at the gasket as you stated earlier, thats where I was saying newer cars the window isn't held in by a gasket so they just won't pull out, so you either have to cut the sealant or the glass as you now say. Or as thin as the steel is in these new cars I bet a small saw could cut it about as fast smile


Edited by Eugene (07/28/09 12:40 AM)

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