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#140953 - 07/23/08 12:44 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: ]
OldBaldGuy Offline

Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
Well yeah, those are basically designed to hold earphones, mike, visor, and protect your noggin from bumping the walls in a rough flight, not skiddin' down the road at 70mph, or broadsiding a left turning car...

#140956 - 07/23/08 12:54 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: unimogbert]

You can buy full motorcycles with CVT transmissions like in a Snowmobile that look like a Harley (I can't remember the name however). You can also buy scooters which are motorcycle sized like the Suzuki Burgman. The 600cc model is every bit capable. I've had one over 100mph.

#140957 - 07/23/08 12:55 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: ironraven]
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"...I'm wondering the same kinds of things, mainly due to gas prices..."

I don't know about the little scooters, but back in one of the '70's gas crunches I considered a smaller (500cc or so) full sized murdercycle, only for saving money. I had an 18 mile commute to work, one way. I was looking at a used bike from a friend. I don't recall the actual numbers now, but after figuring out the mileage of the bike as opposed to my Toyota P/U, additional insurance cost, helmet cost, etc etc etc, I would have had to ride that thing to work every day, night and day, rain or shine, eight months of the year for something like five years before I started to break even. Assuming that I lived that long...

#140958 - 07/23/08 12:56 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: ]
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"...I've had one over 100mph..."

If you do that often, can I have your knives???

#140960 - 07/23/08 01:02 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: OldBaldGuy]

Compared to all but the most efficient modern cars, motorcycles still win out on efficiency.

Most new cars are guzzlers anyhow. I really gets me worked up when I see a Chevy commercial bragging about how many of their cars get 30+ MPG. My 91 Mazda Protege got 41mpg until the day I sold it with almost 300,000km on the odometer. There aren't many cars you can buy today new which are that good on gas and aren't a hybrid.

Neither of my bikes are that good on gas but are close despite one of them being a sport bike and the other being 25 years old.

Scooters are super efficient. A small (50cc or smaller) scooter in good condition being ridden normally (and not flat out all the time, everywhere) could get 100 mpg. I've heard estimates of about 85mpg from 'real world' driving from people I know who commute on them.

#140973 - 07/23/08 03:04 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: ]
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We call them donorcycles cuz they provide us with a constant harvest of young, healthy livers and lungs and things. Bones and skin, not so much. Be sure to fill out the organ donor form and have it posted prominently in your wallet. Ideally, we would request a chest tattoo, but some of the organ banks disqualify the tattooed for fear of blood borne illness. And on behalf of all the organ recipients out there, a warm and (transplanted) heart-felt thanks-
Dance like you have never been hurt, work like no one is watching,love like you don't need the money.

#141164 - 07/24/08 01:23 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: nursemike]
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Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 351
Loc: New Jersey
I've been thinking of getting one of these for my commute. What do you guys think?
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#141169 - 07/24/08 01:36 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: Themalemutekid]

Derbi came out with a very similar model a few years ago. I had a chance to ride one. If you've never ridden it would be fine. If you've ridden before, it would be awkward at first because of the way it handles. The bike leans but the front wheels stay flat on the ground.

If it's like the Derbi, below a certain speed the wheels lock somewhat to hold you upright so you don't need to put your feet down. Made me feel very uncomfortable.

The biggest concern I had was that one of the things which holds a bike steady in the corners is the gyroscopic enertia of the front wheel being pushed into the corner...which this scooter there is none of that as they don't lean. That also puts all the turning force lateral on the tire which could compromise traction.

#141172 - 07/24/08 01:43 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/05/04
Posts: 175
Loc: Paris, France
I've see hundreds over here, it's the commute bike of the moment, strangely one of it's selling point is it's stability. Never riden and have no intention of trying but there are about 20 in our car park at the moment I'll ask one of the owners their opinion.

#141191 - 07/24/08 03:32 PM Re: Motorcycle & a new rider [Re: Blast]
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Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 81
Right on, Blast. I've been riding for 36 years and tumbled to the MSF safety courses early on. I take the Experienced Rider Course every 3-4 years and always walk away feeling that it is time well spent. There is inevitably some skill learned or reinforced that saves me in some way in scary situations.

My oldest son rides and the first thing he did was take the MSF course. Same with my wife. I recommend the MSF courses highly and believe every rider should take them regularly.

An additional benefit is that I enjoy riding even more due to an increased confidence level.

Blast, what did you ride and why did you give it up?

My aged stable:
1976 BMW 750 R75/6
1973 BSA 500 B50MX
1974 Honda 250 Elsinore

- Andy
Men have become the tools of their tools.
Henry David Thoreau

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