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#122337 - 02/02/08 06:21 AM Big list of tornado shelters
beadles Offline
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Registered: 04/09/06
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Loc: Richardson, TX
Just perusing through glocktalk.com, found that they've added a survival and preparedness forum. One of the forum stickies is this long list of tornado shelters.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=623076
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#122342 - 02/02/08 07:39 AM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: beadles]
oceanside Offline
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Registered: 01/08/08
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Loc: Miami, Florida
interesting




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#122355 - 02/02/08 03:06 PM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: oceanside]
Leigh_Ratcliffe Offline
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I've always wondered of these things would survive the funnel of the tornado going across them.

Anyone?
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#122361 - 02/02/08 03:51 PM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
Hacksaw
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From what I understand there's not a lot of turbulence at the extreme tip of a tornado...it's sort of like the eye of a hurricane. The last hurricane that came through here was a long time ago but when it did I remember reading about houses that were completely shredded but the basements were still intact with books still on bookshelves and very little disturbed.

Even if that's completely wrong these things look HEAVY and they're completely buried.

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#122362 - 02/02/08 03:51 PM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
Art_in_FL Offline
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Originally Posted By: Leigh_Ratcliffe
I've always wondered of these things would survive the funnel of the tornado going across them.

Anyone?


Hey ... I'm an anyone.

I understand that these types of units are intended to be buried so that only the hatch at the top is exposed. And it only to vertical forces. Put something mostly underground and you gain quite a bit on surviving a tornado. Laying in a ditch or climbing into a culvert are classic ways to survive a tornado. this looks to be an up-scale and modernized version of the old farmers standby, the root cellar.

Good protection because it is pretty hard to break dirt.

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#122363 - 02/02/08 04:02 PM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
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Leigh,

It's not likely the direct passage of the funnel over these shelters would pull them out of the ground. The lateral pressure of the tornado is what causes the debris field to be created. Since these shelters are buried the surface area exposed to the wind is relatively small. My only suggestion if someone was to install one of these would be to have a hydraulic jack of considerable strength and some 4X4 lumber stowed in the shelter. If the debris from the tornado is piled up on the door there is every possibility that you may not be able to open the door. The jack and lumber would allow egress.

My thoughts...

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#122386 - 02/02/08 08:53 PM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: MoBOB]
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As I understand it: The air pressure in the funnel is a lot lower than on the outside. Not zero pressure but low enough to kill. So what happens if the tornando bullseye's the hatch?


Edited by Leigh_Ratcliffe (02/02/08 08:54 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#122399 - 02/02/08 11:58 PM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: ]
UTAlumnus Offline
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Registered: 03/08/03
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Loc: East Tennessee near Bristol
The ground water level needs to be checked when looking at one of these. Levels high enough will push even a concrete tank out of the ground.

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#122408 - 02/03/08 12:41 AM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: beadles]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Is it just me, or do most of those shelters closely resemble septic tanks?

Sue

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#122418 - 02/03/08 01:11 AM Re: Big list of tornado shelters [Re: Leigh_Ratcliffe]
RayW Offline
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Leigh, There is a pressure differential, but it is not in and of itself lethal. The lethal part of a tornado is flying debris. This seems to be one of the myths of tornadoes like opening the windows on your house to allow the pressure to equalize quickly. When opening the windows on a house would allow high speed winds into the structure and help blow the house apart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tornado

Tornado myths are about 3/4s of the way down the page.

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