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#119886 - 01/13/08 02:50 PM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: hamilton]
CityBoyGoneCountry Offline
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Originally Posted By: hamilton
I'm not a vegetarian either, but I think instead of criticizing people for such a choice, we should offer constructive advice. Not, "you will starve unless you eat this rabbit", but saying that food isn't a immediate concern in most survival situations. Sheltering your body, getting a supply of clean water, and signaling for help are the first major concerns of survival. Food comes later. This is the same for everybody, omnivore, carnivore, vegetarian, vegan and cannibal alike.


Oh come on. You have to think about the worst case scenario. Food is a major freakin concern if you can't or don't get rescued. Even I'll be sacrificing my principles. I don't consider rats and maggots to be an option for my every day menu, but if I'm hungry enough, goddamnit I'm going to eat rats and maggots.

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#119887 - 01/13/08 03:13 PM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: CityBoyGoneCountry]
hamilton Offline
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Of course. People do what they need to do. In the event of a disaster, worst case scenario, could I eat one of my roommates? I don't know. I don't even like to think about it. I'm certainly not preparing for it in any way. If it ever came up, it would only be during the situation. I think it's the same way for vegans and vegetarians. We can't pressure them into preparing to eat meat, anymore than we could pressure someone into preparing to eat their neighbors. If you want to prepare for the worst case when you might have to eat someone, well personally I think that's crazy. And for other people, they may consider it crazy to consider eating meat, except as a last resort. I'm not going to criticize them for it. It just shows the importance of preparing as well as you can so you're not forced into such decisions. Preparation is key. Store chili and steaks so you don't have to eat rats, maggots, or neighbors. Store rice, legumes, nuts, and fruit so you don't have to eat chili or steak. This isn't to say the worst case won't come up, but isn't that why we prepare? To try and prevent worst case scenarios?

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#119901 - 01/13/08 05:42 PM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: hamilton]
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Originally Posted By: hamilton
This isn't to say the worst case won't come up, but isn't that why we prepare? To try and prevent worst case scenarios?


Scientists try to prevent worst case scenarios. I just try to survive them.

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#119956 - 01/14/08 12:19 AM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: CityBoyGoneCountry]
onetim Offline
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Seems to me that when the lights go out for an extended time, its the meat, poultry, and fish that will spoil first. Nuts, seeds, and grains may be all that's left. It's much easier to store nutritious protein rich whole plant foods than meat or fish.


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#120003 - 01/14/08 04:17 AM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: onetim]
hamilton Offline
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Getting back to the original post, I thought the website was informative. It covers a lot of basic stuff. Stuff you should have, things you should do, concerns about insurance, important papers, having a BOB. You actually have to scroll down quite a ways until you actually get to the information on vegan survival food. I thought the websites recommendation to focus on vegan protein made sense. It seems that in an emergency the hardest food item to come across would be a non-animal form of protein. Fruit, veggies, mushrooms, every other non-animal product could probably be found in anyones pantry. I also liked that it gave sources to vegan specific instant meals.

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#120685 - 01/18/08 05:04 PM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: hamilton]
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Good article. Thanks for posting it, capsu78.

I would think that a useful ability to have in a survival situation is to be able to stomach just about any kind of food source. Vegans, vegetarians, and folks with numerous food allergies would be, in my opinion, a liability if food variety was scarce. After awhile, vegans and vegetarians can't digest meat without getting really sick.

And from what I learned while reading "Ada Blackjack," fresh, raw meat has loads of vitamin C, and can heal/ward off scurvy. One of the explorers died horribly from scurvy, not starvation, while in the Arctic.
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#120694 - 01/18/08 06:06 PM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: capsu78]
wildman800 Offline
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I agree about the stomach problems. Haitians that we intercepted were to be fed what the crew ate, per the Geneva Convention. We found out VERY quickly that that policy would kill our prisoners before we could repatriate them. We had to serve them the "beans & rice" that they were accustomed to.
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#120744 - 01/19/08 01:09 AM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: bmisf]
sodak Offline
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Originally Posted By: bmisf
How disappointing and mean-spirited of so many of you. (I'm not a vegetarian - just surprised at some of the responses; this seems to be an emerging attitude here, and I hope it stops.)

If someone wants to not eat meat, what's it to you? It's certainly far less of a drain on the world's resources. And it's not just a modern phenomenon, nor a "luxury".

Anyway, dried legumes, tofu, grains are all good ideas. They'll store longer than meat. Even for those who eat meat, probably not a bad idea to keep a good stock of all of these at hand.


Get a sense of humor or grow a thicker skin, good grief. The replies aren't mean-spirited, and if you take them that way, too bad for you.

I keep a stock of legumes on hand, however, they are for equal distribution. Vegans might get hungry if they "bug in" at my house. Our rule with our kids (and anyone else) is that you always have 2 choices at our table - take it or leave it.

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#120785 - 01/19/08 06:26 AM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: sodak]
Susan Offline
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Youse guys are looking at vegetarians in the wrong light.

My sister is vegetarian. I get to eat all the pot roast, the roast chicken, the steak, the pork chops, etc. She gets the beans, rice, and root vegetables. This is not a problem for me.

Sue

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#120879 - 01/20/08 05:21 PM Re: Preparedness for vegans [Re: Susan]
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Preparing Vegans?

I think it's all in the marinade...

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