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#113070 - 11/20/07 01:34 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: NIM]
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You've hit the nail on the head with the problem with bio-weapons. 'The anthrax wasn't in the air';
Deliver the biological weapon is the problem? The first world isn't the native indian tribes. We'd isolate infection.
The vector is the problem.

AIDS isn't a bio-weapon and zombies don't exist.
The Sock
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#113073 - 11/20/07 01:56 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: Blast]
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Yo are right the MOD has wasted a lot of money on bio-weapons.
We aren't the indians. We'd isolate an infection.
AIDS isn't a bio-weapon, but as you say; I am right, AIDS isn't killing enough people. 32 million people infected in the world at the moment and it's had 25 years to spread. Doesn't sound like you'll be walking through any empty cities.
And zombies don't exist.
The Sock
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#113076 - 11/20/07 02:02 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: Blast]
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You are right the MOD has wasted a lot of money on bio-weapons.
We aren't the indians. We'd isolate an infection.
AIDS isn't a bio-weapon, but as you say; I am right, AIDS isn't killing enough people. 32 million people infected in the world at the moment and it's had 25 years to spread. Doesn't sound like you'll be walking through any empty cities.
And zombies don't exist.
The Sock
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#113077 - 11/20/07 02:07 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: NIM]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Where do you get titanium arrow heads? That sounds great. Are they broadheads? Currently in Canada we can only use razor blades (although I plan on following none of the laws in an emergency).



You can get Titanium Broadheads here at,

http://www.aimtru.com/the-titanium-atom-complete-penetration-xidp114984.html

http://www.g5outdoors.com/#sec_montec


Thanks for the info on the water bottle. I'll have to see if there are any on ebay.

I also believe that there is available a Titanium Axe head as well as your Titanium crow bar. But for a cutting tool rather than a prying tool the Gransfor axe models are probably better in the long term as long as they are looked after and kept clean.





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#113083 - 11/20/07 03:14 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: TheSock]
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Originally Posted By: TheSock

The good news is bio weapons don't work. The only recent attack the anthrax letters in 2001 killed less people than the attacker could have managed with a penknife in a crowd.
The Sock

I would be interested in where you get your info about bio weapons. If all you’re basing your idea that bio weapons don’t work is the anthrax scare in 2001. The reason the Anthrax in 2001 didn’t work was not only the delivery system but also the fact that it was just anthrax spores and not anthrax not in a weaponized form.
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#113087 - 11/20/07 05:42 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: raydarkhorse]
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I'm basing it on the fact no ones ever got it to work. Nuclear and chemical have been used successfully. Where are the biological weapons success stories? We have natural disease breakouts all the time, but always successfully contain them. Certainly nothing like an end of the world scenario seems likely.
The Sock
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#113092 - 11/20/07 06:19 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: TheSock]
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Ah hell, zombies aren't real!

You plan to leg it away from a bio warfare attack, why the anti rad pills?

Biologicals do not always attack via the airway, yet you have no NBC suit.

Military NBC suits have a usable life of a month once removed from their packaging, less if contaminated. The same for respirator filters. That is a lorry load not a rucksack.

Take a good book with you, or several dozen.
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#113099 - 11/20/07 07:45 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: Johno]
TheSock Offline
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Why are we all having this conversation anyway? This isn't a surivalist site. And this idea of surviving the least likely end of the world scenario with a rucsack of gear sounds particularily far fetched. I for one am dropping out of this thread.
The Sock
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#113102 - 11/20/07 08:38 PM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: TheSock]
ira37 Offline
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Registered: 11/19/07
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Any plan to Bug out for 10 years better include the ability to live off the land literally, with 0 supplies brought in.

You would lose stuff, break stuff, run out and need to replenish from the enviroment.

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#113126 - 11/21/07 01:05 AM Re: Bugout back for longterm use [Re: Johno]
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Zombies aren't real? HAVE YOU SEEN ME WATCHING TV? I drool smile

True, if I'm where the agent is released I'm doomed. The air mask is just to get away from smoking environments (there was an evac when I was younger [tire storage fire] and it was hard to breath). The mask and the pills are there for really rare stuff and would be cached or left behind.

As per the book idea I have a palm I converted to run off solar that is cached. It has all the classics and learning books on it (complete works of shakespeare,math and medical texts etc). I plan on adding more eventually. Paper books are good too. I'll have to cache some reference books....too bad microfishe degrades.



-NIM

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