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#209871 - 10/18/10 08:14 PM Truth in the information hieerarchy
dweste Offline
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I suggest that most truth discovered by experiment consists primarily of information and knowledge, from which true understanding and true wisdom arise if we are lucky. These terms have been developed by information science:


"According to Russell Ackoff, a systems theorist and professor of organizational change, the content of the human mind can be classified into five categories:

Data: symbols


Information: data that are processed to be useful; provides answers to "who", "what", "where", and "when" questions


Knowledge: application of data and information; answers "how" questions


Understanding: appreciation of "why"


Wisdom: evaluated understanding.

Ackoff indicates that the first four categories relate to the past; they deal with what has been or what is known. Only the fifth category, wisdom, deals with the future because it incorporates vision and design. With wisdom, people can create the future rather than just grasp the present and past. But achieving wisdom isn't easy; people must move successively through the other categories.


A further elaboration of Ackoff's definitions follows:



Data... data is raw. It simply exists and has no significance beyond its existence (in and of itself). It can exist in any form, usable or not. It does not have meaning of itself. In computer parlance, a spreadsheet generally starts out by holding data.



Information... information is data that has been given meaning by way of relational connection. This "meaning" can be useful, but does not have to be. In computer parlance, a relational database makes information from the data stored within it.



Knowledge... knowledge is the appropriate collection of information, such that it's intent is to be useful. Knowledge is a deterministic process. When someone "memorizes" information (as less-aspiring test-bound students often do), then they have amassed knowledge. This knowledge has useful meaning to them, but it does not provide for, in and of itself, an integration such as would infer further knowledge. For example, elementary school children memorize, or amass knowledge of, the "times table". They can tell you that "2 x 2 = 4" because they have amassed that knowledge (it being included in the times table). But when asked what is "1267 x 300", they can not respond correctly because that entry is not in their times table. To correctly answer such a question requires a true cognitive and analytical ability that is only encompassed in the next level... understanding. In computer parlance, most of the applications we use (modeling, simulation, etc.) exercise some type of stored knowledge.



Understanding... understanding is an interpolative and probabilistic process. It is cognitive and analytical. It is the process by which I can take knowledge and synthesize new knowledge from the previously held knowledge. The difference between understanding and knowledge is the difference between "learning" and "memorizing". People who have understanding can undertake useful actions because they can synthesize new knowledge, or in some cases, at least new information, from what is previously known (and understood). That is, understanding can build upon currently held information, knowledge and understanding itself. In computer parlance, AI systems possess understanding in the sense that they are able to synthesize new knowledge from previously stored information and knowledge.



Wisdom... wisdom is an extrapolative and non-deterministic, non-probabilistic process. It calls upon all the previous levels of consciousness, and specifically upon special types of human programming (moral, ethical codes, etc.). It beckons to give us understanding about which there has previously been no understanding, and in doing so, goes far beyond understanding itself. It is the essence of philosophical probing. Unlike the previous four levels, it asks questions to which there is no (easily-achievable) answer, and in some cases, to which there can be no humanly-known answer period. Wisdom is therefore, the process by which we also discern, or judge, between right and wrong, good and bad. I personally believe that computers do not have, and will never have the ability to posses wisdom. Wisdom is a uniquely human state, or as I see it, wisdom requires one to have a soul, for it resides as much in the heart as in the mind. And a soul is something machines will never possess (or perhaps I should reword that to say, a soul is something that, in general, will never possess a machine)."

http://www.systems-thinking.org/dikw/dikw.htm


"Dee Hock [founder of Visa], back in 1996, said:

Noise becomes data when it has a cognitive pattern.

Data becomes information when assembled into a coherent whole, which can be related to other information.

Information becomes knowledge when integrated with other information in a form useful for making decisions and determining actions.

Knowledge becomes understanding when related to other knowledge in a manner useful in anticipating, judging and acting.

Understanding becomes wisdom when informed by purpose, ethics, principles, memory and projection."

http://solle.posterous.com/dee-hock-on-noise-data-information-knowledge

Forgive my laziness in using wiki-stuff, but I have been generally familiar with this field for decades and find these particular wiki-examples useful for the purpose of dicussion, though not the best scholarship/science on my part.

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#209908 - 10/19/10 04:48 AM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: dweste]
dweste Offline
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Hierarchy? Hierachy? We don't need no stinikng hierachy!

[Especially when it is mis-spelled as "hieerarchy."]


Edited by dweste (10/19/10 04:48 AM)

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#209909 - 10/19/10 05:55 AM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: dweste]
Richlacal Offline
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Ya,This hier is No place for Archie or Jughead for that matter!lol!

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#209928 - 10/19/10 03:55 PM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: Richlacal]
dweste Offline
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Originally Posted By: Richlacal
Ya,This hier is No place for Archie or Jughead for that matter!lol!


LOL!

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#209934 - 10/19/10 05:58 PM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: dweste]
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Hmmm, this makes me wonder what comes after wisdom and will mankind find out?

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#209937 - 10/19/10 06:23 PM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: Blast]
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Originally Posted By: Blast
Hmmm, this makes me wonder what comes after wisdom and will mankind find out?-Blast


Nice!

Any thoughts on the truth thing?

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#209946 - 10/19/10 08:53 PM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: dweste]
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Originally Posted By: dweste
Originally Posted By: Blast
Hmmm, this makes me wonder what comes after wisdom and will mankind find out?-Blast


Nice!

Any thoughts on the truth thing?


I added my thoughts in that thread but to sum them up: we can't know "the truth" but we can probably come up with a close model.

-Blast, who had way too much quantum mechanics in his past to actually know anything ever again. confused


Edited by Blast (10/19/10 08:54 PM)
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#209975 - 10/20/10 09:10 AM Re: Truth in the information hieerarchy [Re: dweste]
dweste Offline
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Note that the often useful pigeonholes of the noise-to-wisdom spectrum is source neutral, that is, it can be applied whether the stuff to be evaluated arrives from scientific experiment, religious experience, accident, historical record, direct observation, or however.

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