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#99859 - 07/14/07 06:57 PM Which animals to invest in?
benjammin Offline
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As an extension of a previous post, I got to thinking what sort of animal would be the most economically feasible to invest in for having around as backup food source? Since most folks really can't get around the stigma of eating fido or fifi, I was trying to think of others that might be suitable, yet still meet the classification of pets. The only thing I can think of now is a Vietnamese pot bellied pig.

Now if you had some room to work with, and the proper zoning, then I would think that goats and chickens would be a good choice.

This also sounds like I been dwelling on that "You might be a survivalist..." thread that Doug started. Still... food for thought?
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#99860 - 07/14/07 07:45 PM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: benjammin]
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I would think a lot of it would depend on your property and your environment. For example, the ancient Hawaiians built fish ponds right offshore to feed themselves. Very low maintenance and practically self sustaining. I think it could still be viable today except for the fact that the beaches and ocean cannot be considered private property. And since it is controlled by the government, it is not used efficiently. Need I say more? I have dived in fish ponds and spear fished around them. Lots of fish. They Hawaiians would probably have harvested with nets.

They actually lived from mauka to makai. From the mountains to the ocean. In the mountains, they would have their taro patches, fruit and breadfruit trees, medicinal plants, plants for ornamental and ceremonial use, as well as burial sites. Heiau's or "temples" can be found anywhere from the mountains to the ocean.

They would have livestock in their villages. The streams would supply water and other aquatic foods as well as provide for their irrigation systems. Closer to the ocean, there would be coconut trees (the tree of life). And the ocean provides food, sport, transport and conquest, and even fresh water if you know where to look.

So to answer your question, my guess would be fish. But it kinda depends.
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#99861 - 07/14/07 07:54 PM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: benjammin]
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Growing up dirt poor, we raised rabbits for meat. They didn't require much work or space and the meat was pretty good though very lean. We usually had five to eight bunnies of various ages in two raised pens five feet by four feet in size. The rabbit food must have been cheap, but I don't know what you'd do if the food weren't available, especially in winter. You can't let rabbits go free-range like you can chickens.

We lived in town so chickens weren't an option. If I were setting up a retreat I'd go with chickens. They'd supply fat and eggs as well as garden pest control. Of course around where I live now feral pigs are a huge problem (and wonderful source of food).

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#99864 - 07/14/07 11:03 PM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: Blast]
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Originally Posted By: Blast

We lived in town so chickens weren't an option. If I were setting up a retreat I'd go with chickens. They'd supply fat and eggs as well as garden pest control. Of course around where I live now feral pigs are a huge problem (and wonderful source of food).
-Blast


Not sure how your city is, Blast. I grew up in Anaheim, CA, and some neighbors had a chicken coop. I'd have never known if I didn't get into their backyard one time. Probably about 20 chickens they had, and quiet as could be... That being said, check your city ordinances!

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#99866 - 07/15/07 12:30 AM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: MDinana]
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That being said, check your city ordinances!


Actually, it's our homeowner's association. They even limit the number of house pets you can have. Animals considered to be livestock are completely forbidden. Alas, DW refuses to live somewhere where the neighbors are more than ten feet away. frown

-Blast

p.s. Hey, how about pigeons? They are small, will return to their roost, prolific and when cooked up right you can eat every bit of them (as experienced in China).
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#99867 - 07/15/07 12:33 AM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: MDinana]
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Like blast said rabbits, if there is no feed avalible any fruits and veggies will do, if their not avalible then thats what the rabbits are for. Also consider pigeons, and doves most cities that won't let you keep chickens will let you keep pigeons and dove. Eggs are good to eat if a bit small, and they provide everything a chicken does.
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#99869 - 07/15/07 01:07 AM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: raydarkhorse]
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I have absolutely no personal experience with this, but I can tell you what I've seen. Look at what is commonly kept in the third world for hints. That would certainly have to be the goats and chickens originally mentioned, and usually both. Goats eat almost anything too, but a nice grain fed goat can be yummy.

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#99870 - 07/15/07 01:19 AM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: Blast]
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Pigeons, aka squab, are very good eats. Just don't eat street pigeon- skyrats probably aren't good eats. Problem with pigeon is that it is little- best for the soup pot, casseroles, or by the platter. Remember, passenger pigeons were hunted to extinction becuase they congregated in massive flocks and were yummy.

One might also contemplate what my mother, who was raised in Africa, diplomatically calls "small meat". Hamsters, gerbils, and most especially, guinea pigs (big time in Peru). Breed faster than rabbits, take up less space, eat less- heck, they are as close to tribbles as reality allows! Again, best for the soup pot or casseroles, becuase you get about a big sandwich's worth of meat on one of those over sized mice. A big guinea pig might be two pounds, before being dressed; the others, smaller.

Or lab mice. They're already inbred to the point of being clones, so you don't have to worry about genetic issues cropping up in a long term, small colony kept for food. smile

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#99873 - 07/15/07 02:06 AM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: benjammin]
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Chickens. Chickens. Chickens.
We have 18 of them. They require minimal effort, if you have a rooster or two, they produce NEW chickens for you periodically, they eat bugs and table scraps, and even if you don't have a Rooster, they produce eggs. They are easy to kill and clean, the meat you get is tasty and fresh and it's the best thing we ever put into an old small shed.


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#99874 - 07/15/07 02:11 AM Re: Which animals to invest in? [Re: Blast]
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I'll not get started on "homeowners associations" beyond the following statement, which is that these self-defined governing bodies represent a terrifying tendency toward what can only be described as a totalitarian state, like East Germany or any of the old Soviet Bloc countries. Committees of Bureaucrats inventing rules to please busybodies who want nothing but silent conformity and subservience to the rules.

I'm done now

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