#98929 - 07/02/07 03:20 AM
Re: Starting a Fire
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The flaw with developing a 'survivor' mindset is the mental template of what we do to survive.We all have this Walter Mitty moment of imagining the day when FINALLY, one of us actully gets to pull our PSK out,initiate the STOP ancronym ( or in my case- What the BLANK was I supposed to do next?)and begin doing ABC... So what if we DO fail miserably to make a fire? What do we do instead?
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#98931 - 07/02/07 03:54 AM
Re: Starting a Fire
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"...What do we do instead?..."
Look for someone to buy beg borrow or steal some from???
(I'm serious by the way)
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#98962 - 07/02/07 03:39 PM
Re: Starting a Fire
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Chris, your posts are full of old American and British cultural references, to the extent that it's hard for me to follow. When you post, I have Wikipedia and Merriam-Webster ready. Last time I had to watch Monty Python sketches on youtube. Now I have to rent The secret life of Walter Mitty movie.
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#98993 - 07/03/07 01:25 AM
Re: Starting a Fire
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Walter Mitty == mall ninja
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#98995 - 07/03/07 01:38 AM
Re: Starting a Fire
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Cliff notes on old Walter...
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#99089 - 07/04/07 04:36 AM
Re: Starting a Fire -Possible thread hijack!
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Granted, I could always carry a bow drill kit with me, but at that point it's easier to carry matches, a lighter, or a fire steel. Still, it's good to have the knowledge as a backup and I practice often. I'll get back to the idea of carrying "modern" tools with you in a moment.
At the risk of going off tangent, I bought a firesteel about 3 weeks ago. Apparently it's a pretty, useless tool in my hands. I've been practicing for a while, but can't get past the sparking stage. Am I doing something wrong, or just fire-impaired? Any help/advice appreciated.....
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#99090 - 07/04/07 04:56 AM
Re: Starting a Fire -Possible thread hijack!
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Tinder is the key. Try to make some char cloth in the cooking foil, and then practice igniting it with the firesteel. Then move to some more readily available tinder like cotton balls. At some point you'll feel how it works.
Edited by Alex (07/04/07 04:57 AM)
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#99105 - 07/04/07 01:11 PM
Re: Starting a Fire -Possible thread hijack!
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Without seeing what you're doing, it'd be hard to give much advice, but there are a few common areas where people go wrong.
Tinder: As Alex mentioned above, tinder is a key part of getting a spark to catch, and with that thought in mind, I carry tinder "just in case". I usually try to start a fire with tinder I find out in nature, but even so I always carry tinder with me as a backup.
Light and fluffy is the general idea you want to think about when looking for tinder. What that means is surface area and oxygen, essentially. Another important factor is that your tinder needs to be dry unless it's something like WetFire Tinder.
Natural tinders such as cattail down, milkweed silk, cedar bark, some other finely shaved dry woods and grasses, some dry mosses and fungi, and so on work well.
Prepared tinders such as cotton balls saturated with vaseline, drier lint, char cloth, Tinder-Quick, Mayadust, etc. work well. Some of the prepared tinders such as Tinder-Quick and WetFire Tinder use chemicals that ignite quickly when a spark is added to quicken the process.
Start with something easy like cattail down, a fluffed cotton ball or drier lint and once you see how quickly those will catch with a firesteel you can move on to other tinders with some confidence that it's possible.
On another note, form is important as well.
I can't remember who mentioned it, but an ETS forum member shared the idea that instead of pushing the knife or sparker down a firesteel toward the tinder, it's better to hold the knife or sparker in place and draw the firesteel backward to prevent accidental scattering of the tinder. That idea helped me a lot.
Edited by Nicodemus (07/04/07 01:11 PM)
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