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#98444 - 06/26/07 04:46 PM Fire Bugout
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
If you're careful and lucky, you may never have a house fire, the kind that gives you virtually no time at all.

But you can't control wildfires. You can stand in front of it yelling, or you can run.

The fire in the news here on the west coast is the Tahoe fire.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/26/wildfires/index.html?eref=rss_topstories. So far, over 2400 acres and 240 homes burned, 1000 more threatened.

Two pieces of information in the article jumped out at me:

"...many of the homes were lost in the first half hour."

"Many evacuating residents had to flee on foot, taking just what they could carry..."

It would be nice to have a plan that everyone in your family knows, whether you live in town or countryside.

Sue

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#98451 - 06/26/07 05:09 PM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: Susan]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
Sue,
A very good topic. I've discussed this a few times in the past, but it's always good to review. In my specific case, we live quite a ways from where the fires originate, but due to the wildlife open areas we aren't quite out of reach. Generally though I'll be watching a fire's progress for a couple days before it gets threatening to me. At that point I pack the truck with whatever I decide I need to take. I walk through the house and take a current set of photos on my digital camera, back up my computer files (laptop goes with me) -- documentation. Then I sit back and continue to watch. While the 2003 Cedar fire burned my truck was packed; it stayed packed for a week.

Do not wait until the fire department says "leave now", to start packing. When they say leave, get in your car and start driving -- have a full tank.

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#98456 - 06/26/07 06:08 PM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: Russ]
big_al Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
Posts: 586
Loc: 20mi east of San Diego
RAS

I will assum that you had all of the area clear around your house so the firefighters had a chance to save it?

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#98460 - 06/26/07 06:14 PM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: Susan]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Susan
The fire in the news here on the west coast is the Tahoe fire.

Some spokesman from the Forestry Dept who was being interviewed on TV yesterday was saying that this was the fastest moving fire he had personally seen. I haven't heard anyone actually say it, but maybe the speed is why so many homes were destroyed early on, before firefighters could get in position to protect the homes?

You don't normally think of Lake Tahoe being a wilfire prone area, but it just goes to show the extent of the drought conditions in the West this year. Seems like wilfire season is basically year-round for the foreseeable future.

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#98462 - 06/26/07 06:19 PM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: big_al]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
Uh yeah. The only thing I can't do much about is the neighbor's cedar shake roof. Start that house burning and keeping ours from doing likewise would be tough. We've got a stone coated steel roof that is very good at not burning; house exterior is stucco, again not easy to burn, but put a big fire next to it and all bets are off.
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#98510 - 06/27/07 03:16 AM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: Russ]
big_al Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
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Loc: 20mi east of San Diego
RAS:

Run a sprinkler line made of iron pipe on the peak line of your roof. Before leaving turn it on. It will keep your roof from burning and the water that runs down will keep your walls wet. smile

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#98518 - 06/27/07 05:33 AM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: big_al]
KevinB Offline
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Registered: 08/17/06
Posts: 91
Originally Posted By: big_al
RAS:

Run a sprinkler line made of iron pipe on the peak line of your roof. Before leaving turn it on. It will keep your roof from burning and the water that runs down will keep your walls wet. smile



Depends on where you live and what kind of fire. We have a 40-acre horse ranch in SoCal. The big fires in 2003 swept right through our place. We have 3 water reservoirs - one 10,000, one 6,000 and one 2,000 gallon, all on hills so we can gravity feed. We also have a water truck with a 2,500 gallon tank, pumps on steroids and a firehose. That saved our bacon. But we're on a well. The fire burned the power lines, cutting off power to our well pump and booster pumps. When the reservoirs were empty, we had to run around with the tractor dumping dirt on the fire. We have an 8.5 KW welder generator that we could wire up to run the pumps, but the fire happened so fast we didn't have time. We got it running the 2nd day so we could water the horses.

The fire was generating its own wind - on the order of 70 mph gusts. It got hot enough to delaminate the steel walls in some of our barn stalls. And our place is always completely scraped clean of brush. Full grown adult trees were bursting into flames. Embers blew into the barn and caught the stall bedding on fire. A sprinkler on the roof would have been like peeing on the sun.

We have 80-90 horses on the ranch. We evacuated as many as we could, then turned the rest loose to run when they had to. In the end they were all OK, though 2 of them got smoke inhalation and one had some pretty serious burns on its hooves. 13 stalls of the 40-stall barn had to be rebuilt, and thank God for a good insurance company.

If it weren't for the horses, I'd say, "Pack your crap and get out." We were purely lucky. And stupid, looking back on it.

Kevin B.

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#98524 - 06/27/07 06:13 AM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: KevinB]
LED Offline
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Registered: 09/01/05
Posts: 1474
Wow Kevin, sounds like you had quite an experience. What improvements, if any, have you made since 2003? That is, considering there's anything else you could possibly do.

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#98527 - 06/27/07 06:23 AM That's a good idea for... [Re: big_al]
wildman800 Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 2849
Loc: La-USA
That also is good advice in the event that you are downwind of a CBR incident. It will wash off the contamination as it lands on the roof!
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#98535 - 06/27/07 08:23 AM Re: Fire Bugout [Re: Susan]
wildman800 Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 11/09/06
Posts: 2849
Loc: La-USA
I used this article to reinforce,to DW, why her crazy, paranoid hubby is putting BoB's together for everyone AND why I keep working to improve upon them.
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