Bill,<br><br>Welcome to Central Region... they're in Naperville - go kick some rump for both of us (you're closer than me). It's all about the cost, and National has been just crushing the council execs over getting financially solvent - specifically w.r.t. reservations. We lost yet another one 2 years ago - about 600 acres (impossible to replace in Illinois, as you know) and are down to our last one (300+ acres) now. I was in the forefront of the fight to save it - to no avail. The acrimony still rings loudly here... meanwhile, what about the boys.<br><br>In case no one has noticed, Boy Scouts are evil according to some political agendas and the nastiness that certain political agendas has stooped to is venal, pervasive, and effective. Check your council's income from all sources for the last 10 years, adjusted to constant dollars, and you will see the effects. <br><br>I do not know if this is related or not, but some strategic plans at region and/or national level seek a single mega-camp in each region. I understand the arguements but don't agree.<br><br>Not sure what you mean by "operated at a loss" - so what???? ALL camps operate at a loss - that is why we all raise $ for the program. The cost of camp would be unaffordable for almost all boys if it was "pay as you go", even with the pitiful slave wages we pay staff (far less than minimum wage for 90%). In my recent experience, "operates at a loss" is a euphamism or excuse to close the camp and sell it. It's a crappy tactic and is probably being lead by one or two well-intentioned "volunteers" at the council level. Warning: talking about camp as a separate financial entity is misdirection aimed at closing it - mark my words.<br><br>Contact me off-list for more - you should take this very seriously!<br><br>Tom