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#9172 - 09/12/02 03:20 PM Executive Carry Knife
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I searched previous threads and the rest of the site for info on the SOG Access Card, but I found no reference or review. Anyone have experience with this model or similar knives> (There were some suggestions on keychain and pocket "penknioves")<br><br>I was considering getting it to add to my "ExwecutiveSK" since it would appear to fit in my Palm case business card holder. Hence the credit card size and flat profile caught my attention. Other brands offering similar concepts seemed more gimmicky (staple remover, magnifying lens, etc. The SOG seemed to be a better knife, even though it does include a small tweezers & screwdriver.
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#9173 - 09/12/02 03:26 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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looks a good bit of kit - i own the Tool Logic version and your right they are a bit more gimmicky but if all u want it is a solid knife handy that looks pretty good!<br><br>Mark

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#9174 - 09/12/02 03:52 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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I have an SOG Access Card with the plain edge. The blade itself, like all SOG products, is of very high quality, but I have some reservations about the durability of the lock mechanism.<br><br>I don't use the knife much, as it lives in my wallet survival kit (which has all sorts of wallet sized survival gear--in a wallet). Mainly I find it useful for getting past security checks. It doesn't seem unusual to security personnel when I hold my wallet in my hand when entering a rock concert, or when I drop it in the personal effects bin with my car keys before going through a metal detector. If anyone asks, I usually explain that I'm concerned about my credit cards being demagnetized and no further questions get asked.<br><br>The lock mechanism is constructed of plastic, with an external spring. Though the spring is covered by the "pocket clip", it would seem that the pocket clip was added just for the purposes of protecting the lock mechanism. The clip itself, because of this requirement, is effectively useless, as it offers only about 1.5" or depth, rendering it less than optimal as a money clip or leaving 1.5" of the knife sticking out of a pocket if you use it as a pocket clip. Also, the thickness of the clip makes it difficult to fit into a regular wallet slot. <br><br>The wallet I use to carry this knife has a zippered change pocket that it *just* big enough to squeeze the knife into. One advantage of carrying it a wallet change pocket is that change pockets are expected to contain metal objects.<br><br>The tweezers, screwdriver, and toothpick are okay and don't get it the way of the knife's primary functionality. The knife is very easy to open with one hand, and is surprisingly comfortable to use, given its odd shape.<br><br>The primary reason I chose this knife over, say, the Spyderco credit card knife, was the fact that I don't like the way the Spyderco looks, but now that I own the SOG, I may reconsider this.
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#9175 - 09/12/02 04:24 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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I recommend the Spydercard, its what I carry. Be sure to look over the lock. I took the time to experiment with mine and found that I could overpower it with my hands, but it took quite a bit of effort. It doesn't concern me that much because I use locks mainly to just keep the blades open, I don't trust that many of them to take an impact (even though my s2k is supposed to) I kinda treat them like slip joints. And it a wallet knife, so I gues I can only expect so much, but its been handy and reassuring to have it there.

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#9176 - 09/12/02 04:49 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Hmm... Your observations about the plastic lock and the money clip seem right on. I looked at a few websites regarding the Spydercard and it looks to a better choice for my application. Plus I found a web site that offered it for $25!<br><br>Next question. Plain or 50/50 serated blades? Since it's not an every day carry type of knife, I'd lean towards the serated version.
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#9177 - 09/12/02 07:16 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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>>Plain or 50/50 serated blades? Since it's not an every day carry type of knife, I'd lean towards the serated version.<<<br><br>I'm not particularly fond of serrations. They have a place in sailing and diving, where cutting rope and line is a large part of a knife's task, but for me, the requirement of special tools for sharpening is a serious drawback.<br><br>Besides, peanut butter was not meant to look like a Japanese rock garden.<br><br>

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#9178 - 09/12/02 10:25 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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For such a small blade 50/50 serrated blades donīt offer a significant advantage. The plain blade is better for precise cutting. Iīd recommend the plain blade.<br>The need for a special sharpener is a disadvantage. But if you donīt use the knife on a regular basis, it doesnīt matter too much.
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#9179 - 09/13/02 12:32 AM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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I also recommend the Spydercard, mine stays in my wallet at all times. The SOG Access card looks nice, but the clip makes it more bulkier than the Spydercard. Even if you removed the clip, you would still have the switch protruding. This leads me to believe that it won't truly fit well into a standard wallet.<br><br>Amper has a good point, a wallet-carry knife has never been detected in any search i've ever encountered. I have always made a habit of placing my wallet in the personal effects bin at the airport, even before I had the knife in there...they are none the wiser.<br><br>John McIntire

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#9180 - 09/13/02 03:42 AM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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The metal detectors in some of the courthouses I have entered have detected the spare vehicle keys carried in my wallet, and the medium sized binder clips in my briefcase. For some reason, I don't like to think what the the reaction of the bailiffs would have been if they found a knife concealed in my wallet. And they tend to be a lot more benevolent lot than some of the airport security guards.<br><br>In my area, I haven't been able to carry a pocket knife into a courthouse since the mid-90s.<br><br>Jonn

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#9181 - 09/13/02 04:59 AM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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As far as serrated blades are concerned, my recommendation is to take a plain blade, sharpen it, then create micro-serrations with a coarse sharpener, leaving the tip area finely sharpened. This will make your knife do the same job as a serrated blade without the sharpening hassles.<br><br>I should also mention that removing the clip from the SOG Access Card exposes the lock mechanism and (I believe) releases the spring that holds the lock, rendering the lock effectively useless. This may or may not be a problem for you, depending on your intended application.<br><br>BTW, I apologize for my atrocious typing in my earlier post. I didn't preview because I was in a rush.


Edited by amper (09/13/02 05:02 AM)
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#9182 - 09/13/02 04:11 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Would you mind expanding on your "Executive SK?" I'd love to know what's in it.

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#9183 - 09/13/02 04:17 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Where are you located? I'm north of Philadelphia AND I've been summoned for jury duty. That will be a bladeless day.

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#9184 - 09/13/02 04:20 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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The problem is, if you have reason to use a knife and therefore deploy the knife hitherto concealed in your wallet, you're begging for problems with security.

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#9185 - 09/13/02 04:22 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Okay, I gotta ask, what's in your wallet survival kit? I'm looking for wallet-sized survival gear and it isn't easy to find.

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#9186 - 09/13/02 04:24 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Are you the same "Max" who was here before the original forum crashed?

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#9187 - 09/13/02 04:51 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Since I canīt remember the crash of the original forum, I think Iīm not. I registered about 4 weeks ago.<br>
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#9188 - 09/13/02 05:30 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Well, I'm piecing things together a little at a time.<br><br>I have a PC backpack for commuting to-and-from the office. It has some stuff like bad-aids, a multi-tool, tape, paper, water bottle, etc.. But I wanted somethings I could caerry with me at all times, including meetings.<br><br>I have a Palm Pilot in a small leather valise case that zips shut. It's 6 1/2" tall x 4" wide by 1 1/2' thick. The right side holds the PDA via a vacro strip. It also hase a pen ho;der and stylis holder. My stylis also has a pen tip by unscrewing the pointer tip. The left side has a flap that holds 3"x5" iindex cards or paper. I cut paper down since I can carry more sheets, but I do have a card on the bottom of the "deck." The flap opens up to reveal 5 slots/pockets for holding business crads. Three of them actually hold business cards, two from meetings with contacts. One holds business cards I made up for my scout troop. The other two hold a grafetti cheat sheet for the PDA and the last holds a copy of my PSK cheatsheet. It's not truly appropriate in an urban setting so I really should include a different sheet (someday). One of these slots is where I'll place the SpyderCard knife, plain blade, BTW. (Thanks everyone for your suggestions).<br><br>Under the flap, on the case's inside cover, is a small business card pocket where I actually keep my business cards .<br><br>When opened, the flap has an isnide pocket between the 3"x5" side and the 5 slot card side. In here I've stashed a small plastic sewing kit case (2 1/2"x4"). It includes a small sewing kit (surprise!), 2 quarters & an exacto razor blade taped to a business card, another copy of my PSK Cheetsheet and some band-aids.<br><br>I added a split rin on to the zipper pull tab. It's the removable type where you can detatch the keys. On this I've added a Fox whistle and Photon II LED light. I find having the Phjoton detaychable is useful as I end up under desks occaisionally when my coworkers ask for me to see what's wrong with their PC (before they call the help desk). The first thing I do is o make sure everything's plugged in (power, network connectiion, etc.)<br><br>Anyway, I know there's more I can add and I will. What I like is that it's mostly inconspicious, except for the bright orange whistle, which folks in meetings will occaisionally ask me about. That give me an opportunity to explain why I have it, to which the usual response is "I know who to look for in an emergeny."<br><br>So what else should I consider?
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#9189 - 09/13/02 06:01 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Well, if you find yourself in a situation where you really need to use the weapons you have concealed, you're probably well past the point where you're going to be worried about security people.<br><br>The reason I carry tools and/or weapons wherever I go is that you can never be certain what random chance might bring you. Especially since last September (and even back to Oklahoma City), every time I go into a public/government building I try to carry my tools--not because I'm looking to harm another person, but because I'm worried that little things like terrorist attacks and building collapses may necessitate the use of my tools.
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#9190 - 09/13/02 06:27 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Just a couple of notes.<br><br>I have to wear picture ID at all times. I have a Suunto breakaway lanyard with the ID and a Black Fox 40. It always surprises me how many people do not even see the whistle.<br><br>I carry an old style pocket calender instead of a PDA and have taken a sailmakers needle threaded with bright red wool and slipped this in the calendar binding. I use the wool as a page marker, but really have it there for the needle. (I have 2m of waxed nylon sewing thread wrapped around a business card in the pocket of my Molskine notebook....along with a copy of YOUR PSK cheat sheet).

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#9191 - 09/13/02 06:41 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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So far, my wallet-sized kit contains (I mix and match, depending on circumstances):<br><br>SOG Access Card<br>DMT Dia-Sharp diamond sharpeners (XFine, Fine, Coarse)<br>Pro-Knot knot reference card set<br>The Fisherman's Ultimate Knot Guide<br>2 Purell sanitizing towellettes<br>2 Neosporin packs<br>6 Band-Aids<br>2 Unlubed condoms<br>Credit cards, phone cards, money<br>Signal mirror<br>small piece of PackTowl, folded<br>small fishing/sewing kit (a few needles, hooks, bits of line)<br>a book of matches (and when I can find them, the type of matchbook with wooden matches)<br><br>The general idea is to make a kit that fits into some sort of a wallet for ease of carrying. The wallet can then also be fit into a small Otter Box/Pelican Case/etc for waterproofing. I'm not trying to make it all fit comfortably in a pants pocket, since I never carry my wallet in my pants, anyway. Also, I don't believe in trying to make everything you might need fit into one package--it's easier and probably better to keep things you need often or immediately out of the package (like an EDC knife, cigarette lighter, mini flashlight, whistle).<br><br>This list is not by any means complete. I'm always looking for little things to toss in, so if anyone has a suggestions, fire away!<br>
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#9192 - 09/13/02 06:47 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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That's a good idea. How big is your needle? Could it stand up to emergency prying tasks or the like? I've been thinking of trying something similar by making a combo marline spike/burnisher/scratch awl/etc.<br><br>I generally carry a Filofax as well as my Kyocera/Palm phone on a daily basis. The Filofax is mainly for notes, since cellulose is still better than silicon for that purpose. I only got the Palm because I found that it actually became a useful device when they integrated it with a cellular phone.
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#9193 - 09/13/02 07:10 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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The PSK Cheatsheet is geared toards outdoor survival. So some items, such as fishing knots, are not likely to be useful in an urban emergency. I was thinking that items, such as morse code (for banging on pipes), would be more valuable. <br><br>Any other ideas?<br>
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#9194 - 09/13/02 07:18 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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See my previous post regarding fishing knots. I guess it depends on where you work. I'm not inclined to eat ish out of the Chicago River. <br><br>The condom is a good idea for water collection. And I suppose matches would be a good idea should I ever get stuck downtown w/o electricity, although it's possible so a few lifeboat matches would be worthwhile.<br><br>Other folfs have mentioned phone cards in earlier threads. I should add that as it's simple. I also have a set of the DMT credit card shapeners at hom e that I really don't use becasuse I have the two sided butterfly shaperner. I was going to put them in my PSK put then read Chris' post on adhesive honimg paper, which is lighter and thinner. So in the USK the DMT cards go.<br><br>
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#9195 - 09/13/02 07:18 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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My sailmakers needle is either a size 12 or 14, 7cm long. My calender is 17.5 cm long so I could make this needle just about any size. I chose this size for its usefulness in sewing the heavyweight clothes I normally wear (Filson's). The three sided point is much easier to sew with than a round needle.<br><br>I do not see this needle as being very useful for prying. I have much larger needles in my repair kit, (size 8 it think, about 10 cm and at least twice the diameter) but not sure it would pry much. It would certainly work adequately as a slim marlin spike, great as an awl and burnisher.

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#9196 - 09/13/02 07:56 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife Plus
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I carry "The List" of all my preparation information in my Moleskine notebook. This type of notebook is ideal as it has an expanding pocket in the back for Cheat Sheet, Thread, Business cards, SS precision Card ruler (Incra Rules), 2 razor blades for my Jack Emergency knife, a UTM roamer and compass rose and "The List".<br><br>On this list I have added:<br><br>Morse code and Air to ground signals graphics, <br>Preplanned meeting places and contingencies,<br>9 different water treatment protocols,<br>Phone card numbers,<br><br>Names and Numbers for:<br>Emergency Contacts,<br>How to use my answering machine,<br>Neighboorhood contacts,<br>CoWorker Contacts,<br>My community leaders,<br>Community information numbers for: Flooding, Street concerns, Non-emergency Police and Fire, Public works, Animal concerns, Trash, Cable, Power, Gas, Water, Sewer, Library, CERT, <br><br>Dates for PSK packing, battery types and changes in various items (flashlights, watch, radios)<br><br>Lists of emergency HAM radio frequencies and contact leaders,<br><br>And then my lists of supplies in-car, on-body, in-PSK etc.<br><br>I just started CERT training, so will be adding abreviated notes on these various topics.<br><br>I found your Cheat Sheet, even though geared toward Wilderness use to be perfectly useful (and I could not figure out how to modify ), so I just added it in.<br><br>I keep this list in Excel and print it out in 80 x 132 mm size, double sided, trim, staple and add to the notebook. This allows me to update at will.

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#9197 - 09/13/02 08:48 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife Plus
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Thanks for your list. It's very helpful.<br><br>BTW, with water purification instructions, do you also carry iodine tablets with you?<br><br>>>> ... I could not figure out how to modify <br><br>I composed it in PaeMaker 6.0 and printed to an Acrobat PDF format. Pagemake gives me greater control over text and image placement than a word processor would allow.<br>
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#9198 - 09/13/02 09:36 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife Plus
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Bill,<br><br>I carry a full bottle of PotableAqua in my vest pocket along with an Oven roaster bag.<br>This would be the primary method, but is limited to 25 L of water. So, I carry the instructions for:<br><br>Bleach (5.25% sodium hypochlorite)<br>HTH (calcium hypochlorite--swimming pool chlorine, 70% chlorine, need to make a working dilution)<br>Tincture of Iodine, 2% iodine, 2.4% NaI<br>Lugols Solution 5% iodine, 10% KI<br>Betadyne (10% poviodine)<br>Kahn-Vassher method (Iodine saturated water)<br>PotableAqua<br>Potassium permanganate<br>Hydrogen Peroxide<br><br>I sort of figure in an Urban Emergency various means to purify water will have to be used as 25 L will be good for personal consumption in the first few days, but larger volumes will be needed for various needs and longer times. My car kit contains Polar Pure (Kahn-Vassher) and is good for many 100's of L of water. My car and 72 hr kits also have a Katadyne or Sweet Water filter.<br><br>I think I will stick with your sheet unedited. My pagermaker skills are non-existant.<br><br>Randy<br>

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#9199 - 09/16/02 07:44 AM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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I've actually been debating how useful the DMT cards are versus their weight and thickness. Thanks for the suggestion about the sandpaper.
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#9200 - 09/16/02 01:59 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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It was actually Chris' idea originally. The paper is adhesive and is meant to be used for shapenning chiaales and lathe tools, especially with curved edges. For example, cut a piece from the sheet and adhere it to a short section of dowel rod. <br><br>My though is to cut pieced to size to fit inside the Altoids tin. In an emergency, I'd stick one on each side of the tin, turning it into a shapening "stone." I didn't prestick them on because I didn't want the adhesive from the electrical tape wrap to gum up the grit.
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#9201 - 09/17/02 03:32 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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I'm trying to put together a kit myself, for whenever I land a new gig, that I could take to meetings. May I ask what make and model of multitool you keep in your Palm Pilot's small leather case?

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#9202 - 09/17/02 04:08 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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I don't carry one there. I have a "Coast" brand multi-tool myy sister gave me in my PC backpack. I also have a mag-tip screwdriver with interchangable tips, a serated knife, bandana, some meds, water bottle, and misc. computer stuff (phone cord, etc.) I also have a church key for "emergency friday commute home rations, a.k.a. "beer or ale" ).<br><br>I plan on buying the SOG AccessCard for my Palm case.
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#9203 - 11/13/02 03:44 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Loc: NE Illinois, USA (42:19:08N 08...
I've added to my PDA PSK.<br><br>II received a gift certificate for the Sharper Image, so I used it to purchase a Leatherman Juice S2. I added that to my zipper split ring.<br><br>This weekend I was replenishing my first aid kit I keep in my backpack when I espied my microshield mouth barrier for mouth-to-mouth recessitation. It dawned on my that it was really useless in the kit as I wouldn't tell the victem to "wait a moment" while I race back to me tent for the barrier. Also, the vast majority of the time I am not camping (too bad). <br><br>So I took it out of my kit and added that to my split ring.<br><br>The collection of these two items and the whistle and photon II is a bit cumbersome. But I'll go with it for a while and see how it works.
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#9204 - 11/15/02 03:09 AM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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We are "required" (corporate) to wear slacks, "button" shirts (no "T"s) loafers (no boots/sports shoes.) My reply to that was to make my knife (BM 690) a "piece of jewelry" rather than a knife.<br><br>Although, any time I think I can get away with it at work (seems now to be most of the time) I carry my BM 710HS.<br><br>I think any really nice locking folder, (smaller than a tactical) like one of the Sebenza's or the William Henry knives (and, I know, many others) can pull this off. <br><br>

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#9205 - 11/15/02 03:01 PM Re: Executive Carry Knife
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Do you wear it clipped to your belt? Just curious. <br><br>BTW, no one has questioned my Leatherman Juice I carry dangling from my Palm case. A few asked what it was and seemed impressed when they look at it.
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