>And WE are not provoking anyone right now...WE are responding to provocation.

How were we "provoked" by Iraq? Our government lied to the American people and sold us some story about Saddam and 9/11, yellowcake and aluminum tubes. Then after no WMD were found, the reason for entering Iraq suddenly became "the Iraqi people need to be free of this dictator". Saddam was in no way a threat to the US. We made sure of that during the first Gulf War.

I find it incredible to hear that Saddam had no WMDs when he actually used them on the Kurds. It's like there is a statute of limitations on history.

Not to be callous, but we didn't make sure that Saddam was no longer a threat in the first Gulf War, the Iraqi people did when they hung him.

I find the earlier comment about the media regurgitating what the government wants only to be partially true. The media seems to spew what the left wing of the government wants spewed.

Who are these "American people" you're speaking about? I don;t know what country you're from, but you must be speaking about me and others who live in America. We might have a little better idea about who's lying to us and who isn;t.

I don;t think our government "lied" or even stretched the truth, but I certainly won;t even attempt to change anyone's mind who believes that. That would be an excersize in futility...one I've suffered many times.

This discussion was going along just fine until someone decided to interject politics into the issue.

Take the politics elsewhere.