Originally Posted By: Blackeagle
"How long does it take to get to the bottom?" Somewhat taken aback, I thought for a moment and replied, "Getting to the river and back takes two days."


That is actually what I have heard the rangers tell people who ask that question. A few years ago on one of my rim-rim-rim escapades we encountered a small group of non-English speaking tourists with little to no gear at the Indian Garden. We couldn't communicate with them, but they had no water and no lights (it was just after sundown).

I always try to let people know (usually visitors to here in hell) that they need to have water with them even on a "short" hike in the AZ summer. Have had a few people get pissy and I simply explain that when they inevitably call 911 that a bunch of firefighters will be out here hiking in to carry you out. Heck, I was even told by one jerk word to the effect if ?that is you job, if you don?t like get another one?

Most people appreciate the advice; others are just are bound and determine to kill themselves and their families despite everyone?s best efforts and intentions. Like Forest?s mama used to say ?Stupid is as Stupid does? laugh
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