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#87220 - 03/03/07 05:22 AM GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!!
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
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i bought that skin glue from heathy pets several years ago
and take it on..what else..canoe trips..it comes in a small
squeeze bottle with a pack of very fine and long tips that
are to be replaced with each use..it has a blue tint so you
can see it against the skin..i have a fishing buddy who is a
RN at the hospital i retired from last year..i was an medical
administrator..he took a look at it and said it was the same stuff
they used in the ER just a different package..the best use
would be a cut that was too big for a band-aid and not bad enought to call for gauze pads and wraps..there is a detailed
instruction sheet from heathy pets on it's use..just think
"finger" and not "paw pads"..there is a difference in the
chemical make up of skin glue and super glue..Google that
for lots of details..i did before i bought the skin glue
rather than take the advice of some other outdoor types who
advised that super glue was the same thing..it's not..
i just dug the bottle out of my first aid kit..
it's 3M Vetbond..i keep it and the spare tips in a
waterproof pill bottle....never had to use it so far---


Edited by CANOEDOGS (03/03/07 05:24 AM)

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#87222 - 03/03/07 05:46 AM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! [Re: CANOEDOGS]
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I have read several places that gluing wounds closed is dependent on the wound really being cleaned inside first. If you glue "dirt" inside you are setting yourself up for infection...
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#87224 - 03/03/07 06:12 AM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! [Re: OldBaldGuy]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: MINNESOTA

OBG.. all the normal first aid rules apply..i always swab
down any wound with a povidone-iodine prep pad..i think
they are sold as "betadine" ??? spelling--pads
they work much better than alcohol pads as they "skin over"
the cut..

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#87230 - 03/03/07 03:22 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! [Re: CANOEDOGS]
billym Offline
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Originally Posted By: CANOEDOGS

OBG.. all the normal first aid rules apply..i always swab
down any wound with a povidone-iodine prep pad..i think
they are sold as "betadine" ??? spelling--pads
they work much better than alcohol pads as they "skin over"
the cut..


Do not use povidone iodine directly in the wound; it burns the tissue and prevents healing. PI or Betadine need to be diluted tenfold before it should be use this way. The wipes are for cleaning around a wound on healty skin.

If you are closing wounds with Derma or Vetbond you should irrigate the wound with a highly diluted PI solution to clean it.


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#87233 - 03/03/07 03:29 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! [Re: CANOEDOGS]
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I was thinking a lacerations a little deeper, so we may be talking apples and oranges here. If those deeper ones are not flushed, and flushed a lot, the possibility of sealing some nasty stuff inside seems very possible/probable. When I read that the military starting gluing wounds closed several years ago, my understanding was that they might use glue on a field/combat injury, to rapidly close a wound, with the understanding that it would have to be debrided by a surgeon at a later date.

For the usual minor scrapes and owies I do use Skin Shield a lot, I seem to heal faster with that that a bandaid...
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#87237 - 03/03/07 04:04 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! ??? FOR BILLYM [Re: billym]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: MINNESOTA

BILLYM..
the pads i use say..1% available iodine..i assume that
diluted enought??..like i said,i have used these with very
good results for many years..they don't sting like the
alcohol pads i was using and the "skin over" effect seems to
seal up small wounds..never had any healing problems..but??



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#87244 - 03/03/07 04:57 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! ??? FOR BILLYM [Re: CANOEDOGS]
billym Offline
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1% can be used but is still hard on the healing tissue.
Rubbing the pad into the wound may also irritate the tissue as well.
Get an irrigation syringe.

see this medical article that talks about the subject.
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1524-4725.2002.01161.x/abs/

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#87246 - 03/03/07 06:32 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! ??? FOR BILLYM [Re: billym]
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Registered: 03/18/06
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I use betadine-solution with 100mg/ml povidone-iodine. According to the instructions and my personal experience it can be used directly on the wound.


Edited by JIM (03/03/07 06:32 PM)
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#87257 - 03/03/07 10:46 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! ??? FOR BILLYM [Re: JIM]
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Jim,
Follow the above link. This is a clinical study that shows even the lowest concentrations of PI inhibit cell regrowth.

Sure we have all used it on wounds before,myself included but medicine is a "practice" and ever changing. CPR has even changed recently. New studies do not recommend using PI in any concentration directly in an open wound.

There is some antiseptic benefit to putin PI directly in a wound but that does not mean you have damaged the tissue and inhibited healing.

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#87260 - 03/03/07 11:31 PM Re: GLUE THOSE BODY PARTS!!! ??? FOR BILLYM [Re: billym]
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Registered: 06/19/06
Posts: 93
Loc: Central Ohio
Clinical studies are great in the clinic, but how about us out on the trail? Betadine packs are easy to carry and do disinfect. I guess the question should be what is the best replacement? If you are way out in the woods, I would rather use Betadine when I know it will prevent infection before I glue a wound together, than take a chance on someother method. (I hate to use alcohol on a open wound also). If it takes a few days longer to heal, so what, as long as you have kept infection away. I think most of us have used Betadine on wounds, and they all eventually healed. I can't say that I have ever noticed a significant time delay on wound healing with or without Betadine. It may be better to not use it, but I don't think it is necessarily wrong to use it either.
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