Yes, you're right Sue, but I'm always thinking of the need for flintsteel methods, not that I always use them, but I try to practice with them whenever possible (usually without the homemade tinderquicks). With a lighter or matches, as long as the tinder is dry and the weather accomodating, I'll just use dry tinder. But, as you said, if you have a lighter and still use the wax-paper cotton balls, they fire right up through the paper, like you said with the paper acting as the tinder.