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#85049 - 02/07/07 08:59 PM Re: Influenza Preparedness priorities
raydarkhorse Offline
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Registered: 01/27/07
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When I am on the road I am always on my own. At some point in this scenerio (scince you said regionally) people are gonna want to start leaving the area. you have to wonder if any measures will be enacted to prevent the spread to unaffected areas, then common sense says if they don't let people out then no travel (including truck drivers) will be let into the area. Everything will come down to what plans individuals, towns, counties, states and the U.S. goverment have in place prior to the beginning. Basically without PPP (Prior Proper Planning) this scenario has no good out come, and I have never seen evidence of PPP on any large scale it's gonna be bad.
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#85050 - 02/07/07 09:12 PM Re: Influenza Preparedness priorities
Malpaso Offline
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Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 817
Loc: MA
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Using the 'public' restroom at work, it amazes me how many people leave the stalls and don't bother to wash their hands. After you wash your hands, hold on to that paper towel and use it to open the door, then toss it as you leave.


I also use a paper towel to shut off the hot water faucet, considering that's the first thing people who actually do wash up touch after doing their business.
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#85051 - 02/07/07 09:46 PM Re: Influenza Preparedness priorities
Micah513 Offline
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Registered: 07/18/06
Posts: 178
Loc: Springfield, MO
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What easily obtainable items that you could purchase today would you be willing to stand in line for, exposing yourself to crowds, that would be first to go in the stores?


After spending 10 days with out power last month during our ice storm I can give you my opinion. (It's a weird deal driving around a city of over 100,000 where almost everything was without power)

#1 is water. Both for drinking & flushing toilets.

#2 try to find a way to get a month ahead or more on any life threating medications that you have to take. The one I take is not that serious so not a big deal for me.

#3 lots of canned & dehydrated foods. I've been storing food longterm on & off for 5 years now and I've learned to not go overboard on stuff like liquid oils, nuts, sunflower seeds, etc. as they just go bad way to fast. The fat oxidizes fairly quickly & stuff goes rancid on you & it's a waste of money. Stuff like White Flour, White Sugar, Pasta and canned goods last for a long time. We are still using up spaghetti that I put in a 5 gallon bucket 5 years ago & it tastes like it's new.

#4 Woodstove. It will definitely be possible to survive longterm eating cold food while sleeping in your Overalls inside a sleeping bag. However, it is going to get old really, really fast. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I now have a woodstove that will provide heat & a cooking surface for us if we have to go longterm during the winter.

Variety is going to be nice if you can't run to the store for fresh bread, milk & eggs. My family eats a lot of cereal/milk, salads, sandwichs, etc. that require perishable items. It will require a major adjustment on our part when we go into lockdown mode.

Here is a recipe for a Flour Tortilla(wrap) that can easily be made over a BBQ grill, fireplace or woodstove. I've tested it & they are really good fresh, but not so great once they cool down & set overnight. So cook up what you can eat for that meal. All the ingredients are very cheap & store well longterm.

Flour Tortillas

Serving Size: 12

- 4 cups unbleached all purpose flour
- 2 teaspoons salt
- 4 teaspoons baking powder
- 2 tablespoons vegetable shortening
- 1 & 1/2 cups warm water (or more if needed)

In a large bowl, stir together the flour, salt and baking powder. WIth a pastry blender, a fork or your hands, gradually work in the lard or shortening until it is all incorporated. Add enough warm water to make a soft but not sticky dough. Turn out onto a lightly floured board and knead for 5 minutes.
Divided the dough into 1/4 cup portions and form them into balls.
Roll each ball into a flat round about 6 inches in diameter & 1/8 inches thick.
Heat a large heavy skillet over medium high heat. Place the tortillas one at a time in the dry hot skillet; cook until brown on both sides. Remove from the skillet & keep warm in a clothe towel until ready to serve.

I ate them with warmed up canned stew & it was a great combo. I also experimented making wraps out of them & stuffing them with foraging items like lamb's quarter, chickweed, dandelions & wood sorrel.

Wood Sorrel leaves have a strong sour zing to them which is to much by itself, but added great flavor to the wraps mixed in with other stuff.

Chickweed is a wild edible that if very prolific here in SW Missouri & if it grows in your area I would highly recommend learning what it looks like. I don't like it raw near as much as when it's cooked.

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#85052 - 02/07/07 09:55 PM Re: Influenza Preparedness priorities
Micah513 Offline
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Registered: 07/18/06
Posts: 178
Loc: Springfield, MO
Good points on faucet handles & doors. I love the ones that swing outwards as you can just open with the elbow or foot.

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#85053 - 02/07/07 10:16 PM Re: Influenza Preparedness priorities
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Registered: 09/30/01
Posts: 5695
Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
If the restroom has those papertowel dispensers with little levers you push to get a towel, push out a foot or so of towel BEFORE you wash your hands, then if you need more towel, you use the one you already have out to touch the lever for more. Why touch the dirty lever with clean hands...
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#85054 - 02/08/07 03:04 AM Talk about timing...
OldBaldGuy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/01
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Loc: Former AFB in CA, recouping fr...
"...The tipping point becomes when school district closings are announced, forcing working parents to have at least one parent home during the day..."

A Seattle High School had 170 students out sick Mon, 200 yesterday, and 300 today, some so sick they are in the hospital. So the school has shut down for at least the rest of this week. So there are undoubtedly a lot of working parents scrambling to cover the rest of the week, and hopefully not get sick themselves...
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#85055 - 02/08/07 03:43 AM Re: Influenza Preparedness priorities
ratbert42 Offline
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Registered: 05/31/06
Posts: 178
Loc: Florida
After our local flu pandemic exercise, I put together a kit of:
A couple N95 masks
A few packs of nitrile gloves
Safety glasses
A bunch of hand sanitizer and extra isopropyl alcohol
A few packs of Immodium AD
A few packs of flu symptom relievers (kids and adult)
A couple cans of Gatorade

If we did get hit with a near worst-case, it gives me the basic recommended protection in case I had to go out for something. But more importantly, we've got some simple tools to fight the symptoms, especially dehydration.

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#85056 - 02/08/07 03:33 PM Re: Talk about timing...
capsu78 Offline
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Registered: 01/09/07
Posts: 98
Loc: Chicagoland IL
Thats right, the "more regulation" crowd removed any medications the school nurse used to have access to. I remember getting inoculated in school for crying out loud.
Now the nurse is only equipped with tools to improve your self esteem.
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