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#84251 - 01/29/07 01:36 PM NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
Since2003 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2205
Loc: Bucks County PA
I've been commuting to NYC for a long time now - I used to live in Manhattan, but moved way the hell out to the country in 1996, and have been commuting in fairly regularly ever since.
Last week, I came home as I usually do, and I decided to empty out the computer backpack and make sure some of the cold-weather additions (hand warmers, extra hat & gloves) were all there.
It's amazing how routine degrades into complacency, and how that leads to a a lack of preparedness.

- The battery in my Ham Radio HT was nearly dead
- I had no AA batteries in my bag at all! Not a ONE!
- The one FLASHLIGHT I had in my bad was a fantastic Coast brand light, the batteries were fine, but as I remembered later, it was that goofy "N" cell light, not a proper AA or AAA light. That's gotta go.
- I had only a .5 liter bottle of water on board
- My FAK was missing a few supplies (see my other post for that)

So, all in all, not a total disaster, but it was a reminder that it's a constant need to make sure what you carry is actually ready to go.

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#84252 - 01/29/07 04:14 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
teacher Offline
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Registered: 12/14/05
Posts: 988
Yeah, the best way to remember to check gear is to do it on a regular basis. Perhaps every first of the month?

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#84253 - 01/29/07 05:07 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2998
Its easy to get that way with so many things to do. I used to have reminders popup in my calendar/pim system and they would almost always get snoozed because I was doing something else at the time. So near the end of last year I sat down and made a spreadsheet of gear maintenance so I can sit down when I get time and look at everything that needs done. Things like checking batteries once a month or checking the vehicle kits every spring and fall, etc.

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#84254 - 01/29/07 11:27 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
benjammin Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
Yep, I've caught myself once or twice thinking I had something in EDC that I later discovered wasn't (never more than inconvenient thankfully). I've since taken to pouring over the contents on a regular basis. Sometimes I may even get a bit obsessive about it, looking to others as Gollem fondling his precious ring.

Speaking of complacency, it is absolutely astonishing to me how the gen pub seems so nonchalant about public activities. Forget the crime rate; after spending time in Iraq my radar is always on when excurting around metropolitan areas especially. I reckon my best EDC has to be my attitude now. I find myself continuously evaluating the surroundings for potential threats as well as possible innovations in a pinch. Funny how a few bombs and getting shot at will do that to a person. There were an awful lot of folks that went to Iraq and weren't up to the reality of it and caught the next plane home to their secure little fantasy world.
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#84255 - 01/30/07 01:53 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
oldsoldier Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
Posts: 742
Loc: MA
One thing I do, particularly for my FAK, is put a piece of tape on it, & write the date. Every year, on that date, I change out the meds. Inspect all the packages of everything else.
Batteries I change nearly monthly on GPS, flashlights, etc, because they get used so frequently.
I have a 4 mile commute (jealous, huh), with a fairly straight drive the whole way. My major concern is normally me hitting a deer at 6 AM. Which, I can simply wander to the nearest house, and barter food for assistance <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#84256 - 01/30/07 07:56 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
Since2003 Offline
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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2205
Loc: Bucks County PA
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...hitting a deer at 6AM...


Slacker <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
My bus leaves at 5:30 AM! And we live in the state with the highest incidence of car-deer strikes in the USA. Woo-Hoo! We're #1 We're #1 We're # 1....

Seriously, tho, the early morning crowd out here is pretty amazing. The bagel and coffee shop opens at 4:30 AM, the gas stations open at 5:30 AM.


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#84257 - 02/01/07 05:03 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
paulr Offline
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Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 499
I think I wouldn't be upset if it's based just on the specific items you mentioned:

Ham radio HT: who are you going to talk to over it anyway? A cell phone with SMS is probably more useful.

AA batteries: why carry them if you have nothing that uses them? Anyway they're the easiest battery size to scrounge.

Flashlight: Stick a bunch of 50 cent Photon II clones ("Fauxtons") in the bag. Really, in an environment like NYC you don't need a powerful flashlight, you just want one that can light your way around a dark space.

.5 liters water: how much water are you reasonably going to EDC anyway? I'd say put a few 1 liter freezer-type ziploc bags in your kit, they are good for carrying water with just the slightest bit of extra care compared with real waterbottles. The 1 gallon bags are good too, but more unwieldy so they need more attention. The new ones with the sliding zipper-like seal leak water a little bit at the very corner (tolerable if you're just carrying a bag or two from one place to another). The old press-seal type don't leak at all.

FAK: yes you do need to address that.

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#84258 - 02/01/07 11:58 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
Meline Offline
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Registered: 02/01/07
Posts: 48
I agree with the Ham radio and batery remarks but I disagree with the water advice for a few reasons.

1. Getting water sometimes is easier said than done. 1/2 liter isn't that much and will keep you going until you can find or secure more water.
2. In an emergency all water should be considered contaminated. If your not carring a micro-filter or Chlorine dioxide tabs your looking at boiling water. As most people don't carry microfilters, boiling and purification tabs are your only real opitions and they require time until you can drink anything.
3. Zip lock bags are great (I have 2 quart sized bags in PSK) but they only go so far. Having a real bottle can be a major plus if you've got the room to carry it.

Hope you don't take offence to my comments as that is not my intent, esp since I'm a new guy.

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#84259 - 02/02/07 01:13 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
paulr Offline
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Registered: 02/18/04
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Yes carry some purification tabs for sure. Could add: Platypus bottle(s) as an alternative to a full sized waterbottle. While less durable than lexan bottles they are much tougher than ziploc bags. They come in sizes up to 6 liters. They are collapsable and the larger ones roll up.

Should add: I just reviewed the Countycomm SOLED clip light in the campfire section -- check it out. I really like the little light, a handsfree light that weighs just 15 grams. Very functional headlamp if you have a baseball cap, but usable just clipped to your jacket collar or to your eyeglass frame if you wear glasses.

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#84260 - 02/02/07 01:29 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
ironraven Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
One problem with the theory of carrying water purification tablets- they don't do squat with chemical contamination. From a clean water point of view, major metropolkitian areas might as well be deserts if there is no water. All you have that you can trust is what you have with you when things go sour.
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#84261 - 02/02/07 02:12 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
paulr Offline
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Registered: 02/18/04
Posts: 499
My city is fairly close to the ocean so there is infinite salt water available. Sometimes I think about getting a marine desalinator. Maybe if I hit the lotto.

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#84262 - 02/02/07 02:18 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
raider502 Offline
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Registered: 11/26/04
Posts: 44
I will give another plug for the Platy's they are great.

As far as being complacent, it happens. When something bad happens you take measures to make yourself fell better prepared for it the next time it happens. After time when it doesn't happen next month, next year or in the next five years, your food is out of date, you are out of batteries, you forget how to use a compass etc. That is why you hang out with like minded people and try to keep up with the Jone's.

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#84263 - 02/02/07 04:10 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
Meline Offline
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Registered: 02/01/07
Posts: 48
That is true, chemical purification will do nothing against non-biological agents.

About the only thing I know of that will take care of chemicals is active carbon filtration, like the MSR Waterworks, but I have doubts to its effectiviness.

I think the real question is "How much of a threat is chemical contamination Vs. Biological?"

In my opinion you are more likely to come across water contaminated with fecal coliforms and other nasty critters in water sources from cross contamination inthe miles of broken pipes, or flooded waste water lift stations than you are from oil, gas, or other chemical contaminates. (You should be smart though, I wouldn't be trying drink water flowing out of the ground by a gas station <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

Secondly, as bad this sounds you can survive drinking some minorly chemically poluted water with out to many adverse effects. You drink biologicaly contaminated water and you are definately going to have adverse effects. So the risks from biological are far greater than chemical.

Either way I do agree that your best bet is to carry your own. Which is why I supported the 1/2 liter of water. But that's just a stop gap measure until you can either locate additional water and to hold you over till you can sterilize that water or get the hell out of Dodge.

Chlorine Dioxide tabs are small, have a shelf life of 3 years, not to expensive, and will kill anything including cysts and Giardia that Iodine tabs won't take care of. The biggest draw back is your looking at a 4 hour wait for it to do its thing. Carring a few tabs seems like a worthy investment to me.

Also you have to consider that even after you get out of the disaster area most of the surrounding areas an d towns get their water and waste water removal from the city's water system. If that is crashed or cross contamination has occured your still looking at treating or boiling.


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#84264 - 02/02/07 06:47 PM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2205
Loc: Bucks County PA
Paul, let me amplify & clarify.

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Ham radio HT: who are you going to talk to over it anyway? A cell phone with SMS is probably more useful.


Have you actually been in a situation where there's a large-scale emergency? Cell phone service quickly get overloaded. Plus, my HT picks up Police FD, and a lot more. It's good to be able to hear what's going on. I use it when I'm stuck in traffic all the time to hear what's going on so I can adjust my expectations accordingly.

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AA batteries: why carry them if you have nothing that uses them? Anyway they're the easiest battery size to scrounge.


Well....NORMALLY I have an AA flashlight - that's back in the kit now. And also I have a digital camera that uses AA cells, and a small AM/FM radio - that uses AA cells, and a neat little adapter thing that lets me power the HT off of....AA cells.

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Flashlight: Stick a bunch of 50 cent Photon II clones ("Fauxtons") in the bag. Really, in an environment like NYC you don't need a powerful flashlight, you just want one that can light your way around a dark space.

I am not talking about a 4-d maglight, it's just an AA cell LED lamp. Even been in a subway car when the lights go out? I have. It's unfun with a tiny light.

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.5 liters water: how much water are you reasonably going to EDC anyway?

I carry 1 full liter because a)I have a brisk 1.4 mile walk each way from and to the bus station, so when I get on the bus I like to have a drink of water. That's the first .5 Liter. b)The other .5 liter is for times when I-78 shuts down and I'm on the bus for 4 hours stuck in traffic. That happens a few times a year.

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#84265 - 02/03/07 01:22 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
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Registered: 08/19/03
Posts: 1371
Loc: Queens, New York City
And of course, he could talk to me, and other Hams here in the city - and some of us have contacts at OEM
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#84266 - 02/03/07 03:01 AM Re: NYC: Every Day, A little more complacent
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Registered: 12/07/04
Posts: 530
Loc: Massachusetts
Echoing the theme, I feel very confident that in a serious emergency, I would have a higher probability of reaching someone reliably with my limited Ham gear than with my cell phone. We are on the coast, and often lose power, and phone service. When we lose phones, sometimes the cell network is useless, you can't make a call it's so overloaded. On the other hand, with the repeater networks around the country, you can probably hit a repeater with a 5watt HT from virtually any even modestly populated area. (Of course, you have to have a repeater guide handy to know the Freq's)Interestingly, the folks who manage/support the repeaters, are often some of the most prepared folks in the area. Between battery and generator backups, the repeaters are virtually up 24x7 regardless of what's going on with local power and phone service. Many of them are active in RACES
and ARES in the community, so they are typically aligned with the local EMS system.

In a TEOTWAWKI scenario, I'll have my old Kenwood HF rig running. Even with a basic wire dipole, it'd keep me in touch with the world. It even runs on 12 VDC, so I could go mobile with it if needed.
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