Joe,<br><br>Shoot, use the ALICE. If you have a complete frame, go ahead and use it, too. While there is much better stuff out there for big loads, even an ALICE is fine for light-to-moderate loads. And if you're an ox with a strong back or just taking short treks, you can hump a fair amount of weight in it by non-military standards.<br><br>My objections to them are from a professional viewpoint - it was (is) lousy equipment (ergonomically speaking) to stick us with for all those years - enough years that many folks spent an entire career and never saw/used anything else. There are things that I like about ALICE gear. The frame and some of its appurtenances is what I despise about them.<br><br>Tom