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#82337 - 02/14/07 05:34 PM Re: She's Back!
OldBaldGuy Offline
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"...science" is nothing but an educated attempt to put the natural world into terms that make sense to us. It's actually nothing more than a best guess..."

That would be a SWAG (Scientific Wild A**ed Guess.

Us mortals just make a WAG.

And, for the most part, I totally agree with you. If we don't have eyeball witnesses to what happened a jilliion years ago, we are just making SWAG's...
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#82338 - 02/15/07 04:32 AM Re: She's Back!
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Registered: 11/27/06
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Loc: Alamogordo, NM
Nighthiker,
...because I believe this to be true, I agree and even considered posting basically the same thing as you said...only I don;t hink I could have worded it so well. Science is seeking answers to all unknowns and, in the interim, they're often venturing guesses and proclaiming them to be fact. Meanwhile, they keep working and the guesses keep coming and the facts keep "evolving".

Oldbaldguy,
We really don;t need witnesses to what happened LESS THAN a million years ago, science has at least learned enough to KNOW we had an ice age, and that it wasn;t the first. Exactly how it occurred and how it may occurr again is still baffling to them though, so you're right, it's a SWAG most of the time. BUT, algore knows the facts (just ask him or watch his proffered Oscar winner). He has just been unable, so far, to convince the real scientists that he has all the answers and they don;t. And sadly, in my opinion only, many millions of people believe him and others about this "man made" phenomenon.
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#82339 - 02/15/07 02:50 PM Re: She's Back!
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Registered: 07/10/03
Posts: 659
Loc: Orygun
Wow... I thought the military was still up there. I did a little searching and discovered a neat website about Adak with lots and lots of pictures from over the years:

http://www.orneveien.org/adak/

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#82340 - 02/15/07 09:01 PM Re: She's Back!
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Registered: 01/04/07
Posts: 339
Loc: New York, NY
Poor Al. This isn't going to be as easy as inventing the internet.

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#82341 - 02/19/07 07:03 PM Re: She's Back!
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Registered: 01/07/04
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I've just heard of a report of Rusha being added to that list, -here in mid-february 07. [color:"black"] [/color] [email]ScottRezaLogan[/email]
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#82342 - 02/19/07 07:14 PM Re: She's Back!
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I think there's a good chance that Global Warming is more "Natural Made" than Man Made. Though the Industrial Revolution on up to today is an Undeniable Fact. I do listen to a lot of Rush / Shawn / Savage / Quinn & Rose / and Beck "Pooh-Poohing" it off, -but they and quite more than a few Scientists they cite, -may well have something there. I'm like a Jury having to sit this one out. In any event, -we can all make a Go at claiming Branson's recent 1 Million Prize for a Carbon Catching Solution! (All Round, -Branson's quite a guy!). [color:"black"] [/color] [email]ScottRezaLogan[/email]


Edited by ScottRezaLogan (02/19/07 08:39 PM)
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#82343 - 02/19/07 07:35 PM Re: She's Back!
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Wags and Swags yes, -but this still doesn't excuse us from trying to get a Grip on, and come to a Solution (or at least a "No More Worsening"), -of a given Real or Possibly Real Enuff of a Problem / Challenge. And I'm one with some considerable Doubts as to the level of Man Made & Total Global Warming, -and of its level of Seriousness. Still, -we can't just Opt Out of a Looming Enuff Issue, -just because it is this much or that much of a Wag or Swag. I'm sure that many other examples currently and thruout History exist, -where Man did *not* just Bow Out, -but rather Grabbed the Bull by the Horns and Addressed such! Many of these too quite Unknown and Waggish or Swaggish, -at their Time. And Man thereby Saved his Tail and Day! (I do not have such Specifics at the tip of my mind, -but again I'm sure that many exist). [color:"black"] [/color] [email]ScottRezaLogan[/email]
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#82344 - 02/19/07 08:56 PM Re: She's Back!
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Registered: 11/26/06
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One thing to keep in mind about the "man-made" global warming…

No one is saying that mankind is the cause of global warming itself. Earth was going through climate change cycles long before mankind inhabited the land. What people/scientists are citing as "man-made" is the fact that this cycle of climate change seems to be progressing much, much faster than any others researched.
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#86124 - 02/20/07 04:53 PM Re: She's Back! [Re: JCWohlschlag]
Stretch Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 707
Loc: Alamogordo, NM
JC, you may be right if you said "few are saying mankind is the cause..." (few being the operative word). But, "many" are implying that we can arrest the rate of warming. In my opinion, this is impossible and, as Nighthiker said, egotistical and, I would add, ludicrous.

The reason the cycle is progressing faster and faster isn't alarming to me, it's just sensical....normal...expected.

That's not to say that I don;t support good practices by "us" in using fossil fuels and other resources, but I support that so we have a healtheir environment.... NOT because I think it might have any effect on the earth's cyclical meteorological events.
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