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#74347 - 10/03/06 04:14 PM Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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In light of current events I want DD to know how to defend herself to the best of her abilities. Any suggestions on a style of martial arts that a 3-yr old could use to make life difficult for a bad guy?

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#74348 - 10/03/06 04:54 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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Excellent idea! Why not check around to some of your local martial arts places and talk to them? If they've already got classes for toddlers, go in and watch one of the classes. Young kids have the attention span of a gnat, so great patience and short classes would be required. If they're leaning on the little kids like drill sergeants, and treating them like high school kids, opt out. And if they don't have classes for young kids, it would probably be best that they don't make all their mistakes on yours.

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#74349 - 10/03/06 04:55 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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Not a suggestion, but I would like to know as well.. With all this crap happening in the US the last 2 weeks, I want my girl to be able to get out of situations that call for it.. I just find it tragic that 2 wackos decide to segregate the girls from the boys in their sick attacks.

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#74350 - 10/03/06 05:01 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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I've studied various disciplines, and I feel that Krav Maga is excellent for learning the real world basics. Unfortunately, instructors in Krav Maga are few and far between in this country.

Other than that, I agree with what was already said and find a family friendly school that will make her feel more at ease.

In addition to personal protection, good martial arts instruction will also add structure, focus and self esteem that will benefit the child in all areas, and make your job as a parent easier as well.
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#74351 - 10/03/06 07:31 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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Along with the skills to make an escape I want her to learn WHEN to use such steps yet not develop an overly-large fear of people. DD is at a tricky age, definately "monkey-see-monkey-do" and prone to fear. After watching "Jericho" with me she is constantly on guard for mushroom clouds (and for some unknown reason dinosaurs...). She also decided she needed to perform an emergency tracheometry on DW (same episode as the mushroom cloud).

I guess what I'm trying to say is how do I teach her to defend against bad guys without making her afraid of everyone?

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#74352 - 10/03/06 07:37 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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Susan has hit it bang on :
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...check around...talk to them...watch one of the classes...Young kids have the attention span of a gnat...so great patience and short classes would be required...


Classes adapted to young kids is a must. Other than that, everyone will preach for his favorite martial art. I do Aikido and it takes years to master, I like it's non aggressive philosophy. I wish I had started 30 years ago ... Starting young is a tremendous advantage ...

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#74353 - 10/03/06 07:51 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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My kids have been taking Taikwando since 3rd or 4th grade (several years now) and I agree 100% with what Susan said. Its not so much the type of marshal art, but the sensibility of the instructor when dealing with young children. As a parent you'll know what is right for your child.

We lucked upon a great insructor that taught classes at several day care centers adn then decided to teach at our (his too) elementary school. The progress is slow, but steady, which is all I expect.

No 3-6 year old is going to be able to take on an intent adult, especially one with lethal weapons, but it is a great way to get them excercise, teach them self and situational awareness, self confidence, and eventually protect themselves.

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#74354 - 10/03/06 07:59 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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I guess what I'm trying to say is how do I teach her to defend against bad guys without making her afraid of everyone?

Speaking as a Dad of three young girls, when you figure that one out let me know. I started trying to come up with that answer the night I first became a Dad. (My oldest will be 8 in 2 months, still no answer.) Someone suggested the "what if" game a few weeks ago and my oldest loves to play that game now. Seems like a good place to start.
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#74355 - 10/03/06 08:13 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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Blast, while I think this is a very reasonable and thoughtful idea, I'm going to have to say it's very likely a mistake. I'll lay out why below:

Having both taught and observed kids in martial arts, I can say this with a little authority. Most kids aren't even ready at age 6 to begin any serious Martial Arts training. Their attention spans are next to zero, they don't have the physical power or control to handle most maneuvers, and they don't have the mental ability to determine when it's right to cause physical harm to others. Plus if they were to seriously harm someone (alghthough this is unlikely) they may not have the emotional capacity to handle it well.

In my experience, at 3 (my own boy is 3) even if both smart and capable, I wouldn't even think of teaching punching, kicking, or biting, etc. Now, that's not to say that all kids couldn't handle it, but I've seen an awful lot of kids come through the doors of our dojo and we have a policy that they can't start until 6 Yrs. old now. At 3-5, they typically get very little out of it and they can be incredibly hard to train because most Martial arts styles teach people when it's appropriate to use the skills and at that age, they just don't have the situational awareness and decision making processes down yet.

In light of recent tragic events, I think it's prudent to teach kids to run away, to scream for help, and maybe even some very rudimentary self defense such as biting to release someone's grip. But to think that a 3 year old could fend off a gun wielding adult is simply way out of realm of reality. I'm fairly big, strong, fast and capable, and even I would have a hard time against an armed interloper.

Suffice it to say, if you can find a school that caters to kids and does it right (plenty of discipline, yet fun and enthusiastic) like my own school, then you will have to ask the Instructor if they allow 3 year olds. I'm betting more often than not that they won't - the youngest I've heard of is 5 and they have to be emotionally stable (read: not bullies) and "grown up" for their age.

I study Isshinryu Karate and Texas has a decent representation of that style I believe. I find it to be a no-frills street fighting technique that is very very heavy on reality and not full of flash. We don't typically do well at "flash and dash" type tournaments, but at traditional ones, we excel. I find it refreshing to have instruction in an art where progress is mapped to actual ability and not to money. We fail people for moving up in rank all of the time - it's definitely earned. I'd recommend similar schooling for kids. Giving them a higher rank simply because they show up to class and pay their bills is just wrongheaded... avoid these sorts of Martial Arts "mills". If you do enroll your daughter, I recommend that either one or both parents also attend. You'll be able to reinforce their training outside of class, and it's a good bonding experience (not to mention useful for all family members!)

Anyway, my point is that although your DD may be able to learn some things that would be helpful, she may not be able to institute that learning at the proper time due to fear or not understanding the sitaution. Even then, with her size and abilities, it's unlikely she could elude a captor. Trust me when I say I've thought about it fully. I could teach my own child and have opted not to do so, but my advice may be worth what it costs you. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> YMMV

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After reading the other replies that were written while I was distracted and typing this up - I will definitely agree that MA will teach discipline, a strong sense of self and duty, and it's excellent physical exercise that teaches control, strength, speed, flexibility, and a very useful skillset. Just don't have the wrong expectation of what your 3 yr. old can do if you choose to enroll her (even if it's at a great school with fantastic instruction).


Edited by massacre (10/03/06 08:16 PM)
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#74356 - 10/03/06 09:04 PM Re: Martial arts for a 3-yr old?
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they don't have the mental ability to determine when it's right to cause physical harm to others.


You hit my other fear directly on the head. I doubt DD is old enough to truely understand when it'd be okay to hurt someone. I don't want to get a phone call from DW saying DD punched another kid in the throat for taking a toy...

The latest school shooting really has me riled up. We went through so much to get DD and the thought of someone trying to ever harm her makes me a little nuts. I'd go bare-handed against a grizzly for her.

The biting/kicking might be the way to go for now. One of the games we play when out walking is "Bad Dog". We'll be going along when suddenly I'll say "bad dog". DD immedieately curls up in a ball on her knees with her hands protecting the back of her neck. Then a bit later she says "bad dog" to me and I have do the same curl. It gets odd looks from the neighbors but thats okay by me. Maybe I can come up with a similar thing for "Bad People" in a way that doens't freak her out.

Am I blowing everything out of proportion/being too paranoid?
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