I'll make one final observation before retiring to monitor the ballistics shootout to follow. I get a laugh out of 'survivalist' forums that talk about black helicopters hovering over the back yard, yet post multiple download photos of their personal arsenals. People, like your friends with the 9MM have this compelling need to 'show off' firearms. It's one of those red button social objects like new cars or a puppy. I've owned 6 different 1911s. My shooting friends will by one and still hand it over for my admiration, as if something has changed in nearly 100 years. Do yourself a big favor, and make like Elmer Fudd- " be vewy, vewy quiet" and discrete about firearm possession. Firearms are actually a prime target of burglaries. Guns carry a disproportionate social burden in today's society compared to a few generations ago. A little discretion alleviates much of it. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />