Good point KI6IW. I also quite liked the analogy by the way. Actually, I am planning on going out soon and making a shelter for he express purpose of taking photos of it. Hopefully this will satisfy people, however I don't think it will. I'm sure it will satisfy some, but there will be the naysayers claiming photoshop or some other such nonsense. I'm going to do it anyway. At least people will be able to see what I use for shelter. Whether they believe it or not after the photos, I just don't care anymore. There is no satisfying some people. Just for the record, I do use technology. I know how to survive under the most primitive of conditions, but when I camp, I like to bring fear with me.I do "rough it" from time to time just to keep in practice, but for the most part, I carry equipment with me. You sound like one of the more intelligent people I've interacted with here so I know you understand that I mean no disrespect, I'm simply trying to state my case.