Greatings All, Thanks for the feedback. No offence taken. Is an axe, sized appropriatly for season, trip duration, ect. a survival tool? How about a saw? Maybe its the saw on your SAK, or maybe it's my folding exchange balde Gerber or my two man cross cut? What about how your choices in clothing on a day to day basis affect your survival quotent? I guess my point is that most of the equipment that I would hope to have access to in a situation, won't "fit" in my pockets or on my person as EDC, but to my mind that dosn't disqualify it as survival gear. Why isn't a tent considered as kit? I'd much rather boil water in a real cook kit then in aluminum foil. I think it comes down to what options you can access at the time of an incident. I believe in a layered approach, and while I train with my ETS survival kit, that is always on my person or very near by, I hope to access somthing better. If that happens to be a functional sturdy comfortable backpack containing a carfully chosen tent, sleeping bag, ground pad and cook kit, I just might feel like going camping <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Respectfully; Jim