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#71292 - 08/16/06 08:37 PM Re: B.O.B
Craig_phx Offline
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Registered: 04/05/05
Posts: 715
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
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One very important one that applies here: Always remember that your gear is made by the lowest bidder.


But, is it manufactured to very specific and high standards. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#71293 - 08/16/06 10:19 PM Re: B.O.B
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Loc: United Kingdom.
My concern is that most people who cannot, by any measure, be described as knowledgeable about these matter's regard ready made kits as all singing, all dancing, SAR bird overhead etc. They lack the basic knowledge need to a) make an informed choice about what is useful and what is not, and b) how to make best use of the equipment that they do purchase. That is why I said look at the survival kit reviews. Then purchase.
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#71294 - 08/16/06 11:15 PM Re: B.O.B
massacre Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
I agree, it would be a false sense of security, but since when is that new for PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER.? Especially when they get the cheapest stuff on the market....

My points
1) steer people to the reviews and tell them that a lot of kits are crap unless you spend a decent amount of money.
2) encourage them to get involved and thinking about their gear.
3) If they don't care about 1 or 2, then try to give them specific kit links that don't appear to suck.
4) Failing all else, tell them that you get what you pay for and ask if they want to rely on the cheapest gear to save their lives.

Even if they don't listen to any of it, they *might* end up with something that *could* save their bacon. We hope to have them back after they have the "opportunity" to use said cheap equipment with the realization that they need to upgrade. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#71295 - 08/16/06 11:50 PM Re: B.O.B
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
Agree. A BOB is not one size fits all. They are situationally specific -- who, what, where, why, how are all relevant to what goes in the BOB.
who are you and what are your skills?
where are you and where are you bugging out to?
why do you need to bug out?
how are you carrying the BOB and how are you bugging out (on foot,,bicycle, motorcycle, car. . .)?

Once you get those Q's answered you'll realize that any ready built BOB will be inadequate for most situations and good in very few. Putting your own kit together is the only way to go.
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#71296 - 08/17/06 10:09 AM Re: B.O.B
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Registered: 08/07/05
Posts: 359
Loc: Saratoga Springs,Utah,USA
Thank You so much for your input, I am trying to find kits for people in my church area that arn't to adept at putting together these kinds of kits. We live in Utah where it could be winter storm, wildfire or earthquake, we just never know I already have a B.O.B. for myself and family and we have everything needed to 'bugout" if needed ie:water,clothes, food, lights, heaters(hand) and two way radios(FRS and Ham) Thanks again Mike
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#71297 - 08/17/06 10:55 AM Re: B.O.B
redflare Offline
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Registered: 12/25/05
Posts: 647
Loc: SF Bay Area, CA
Contact me offlist, I may be able to provide you with what you need and give you a nice pricebreak on a quantity purchase. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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#71298 - 08/17/06 11:36 AM Re: B.O.B
redflare Offline
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Registered: 12/25/05
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When I was designing my kits I had to keep in mind several factors, not the least of which was cost VS quality. If I look at my BOB I have at home and add-up the sums, oh my! It is probably upwards of $400 for two people. Of course I can say I can weather pretty much any disaster rather comfortably, but can I presume others will be able to shell out such sums? No.
One needs to cover the basics: shelter, water, food, first aid, communication. Ideally some nice extras should be included: sanitary supplies, some tools, heat, entertainment.

Below is an interesting take on the prepackaged kits: a review by people who actually went throuh a disaster cituation.

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Updated:2006-06-16 09:42:48
Gearing up for an emergency: Testing disaster kits
By CHARLES PASSY
AP
Eds: Via AP


By CHARLES PASSY


The Wall Street Journal


The big one is coming.


At least that's what some disaster-kit retailers are saying - whether the big one is a hurricane, earthquake, tornado or bird-flu pandemic. After Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast last year, preparedness has become a growing industry, with stores selling a range of emergency kits. They're generally designed to get people through the first three days after a catastrophe, stocked with flashlights, ponchos, food bars and even portable toilets.


As this year's hurricane season begins, we bought five one- or two-person kits online. Then we showed them to a group of South Floridians who have survived electricity outages and major property damage through three hurricanes in the past two years. We also sought advice from Red Cross preparedness expert Keith Robertory, who named five essentials for any kit: food, water, first-aid supplies, a radio and a source of light. Anything beyond that, he said, depends on location, climate and individual needs for medication and comfort.


The Preparedness Center's $199 kit had 31 items, from a knitted cap to a 13-function knife to freeze-dried food. One surprise: The food required boiling water to prepare, and the kit had nothing to heat up the water - or any water at all. (There's a five-gallon container to fill on your own.) Finally, the panelists found the elaborate restroom kit, including a "urinal bag," a bit much. "This is ridiculous," said one.


The rest of the kits had all five essentials, including sealed packs of water. (The Red Cross recommends keeping a gallon of water a day per person.) Frontier Survival's $92 Deluxe 2-Person 72-Hour Honey Bucket Kit held 29 items, including a gas and water shut-off tool, leather gloves and two ponchos. The bucket can double as a toilet, but the panelists doubted that was necessary, saying they had found plenty of post-storm bathroom alternatives. (We'll leave it at that.) Still, the combination radio-flashlight-siren won points, and two shortbread-like high-calorie food bars and a small supply of six boxes of water were included.


The remaining kits came with backpacks to hold the supplies. The 26-item Hurricane Go Bag Kit, for $90 from Camping Survival, had a small first-aid box and unappetizing ready-to-eat food rations. Even in a disaster, we might have trouble with the "restructured beefsteak," to say nothing of the high, thirst-inducing salt content. We did like the hand-powered flashlight.


Emergency Essentials' $100 Trekker 2-Person 72-Hour Emergency Kit held 49 items. The two food bars and 12 water boxes were complemented with smart extras such as sun-block wipes, toilet paper and multipurpose pliers that one panelist thought would have been useful in hurricanes past. "It sure beats rummaging through your tool box," he said. The kit also had a check-off list of everything else you might need, like prescription medication and extra clothing. The kit comes with two backpacks, and it's our Best Value.


For Best Overall, the judges went with Nitro-Pak Preparedness Center's Executive 72-Hour Survival Kit, with 77 items. A basic kit costs $136, but we ordered the $150 upgraded version, with a wind-up solar radio - a worthy choice, as some panelists said they had quickly run out of batteries after a storm. The basics were mostly well covered, with two high-calorie food bars, 24 water pouches (4.2 ounces each) and a good first-aid kit. The backpack was rugged and held plenty of extras: blankets, a light/heat candle, masks, gloves, ponchos, waterproof matches, a whistle, nylon cord and even playing cards to pass the time.


Is a prepackaged kit really necessary? It's not too difficult to buy the essentials and throw them into a bag. But the panel conceded that if this is what it takes to be prepared, the expense is worth it.

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#71299 - 08/17/06 02:50 PM Re: B.O.B
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Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 664
Loc: Florida, USA
It seems some people are very focused on the gear. I'm not saying that good quality gear isn't important. Almost more important is that people know how to use what they have. As has been stated time and time again, the people on this forum are ETS even when we can't carry gear. That's because we use our minds to consider alternatives. Plans and alternate plans have become second nature to most of us. But I think that we have to remember how most of us got to where we are in our thinking, planning and gear choice. It's a process!

Dr. Phil is fond of quoting Maya Angelou, "You did what you knew how to do with what you had, and when you knew better, you did better." (or something like that)

I agree that a pre-made kit could offer a false sense of security, if the person never bothers to explore the kit. True, a pre-made is usually going to have lower quality of gear than most people here would be comfortable with. But, could we survive with that gear? Probably. I would feel much more comfortable or confident with gear that I've used, and tested under various conditions, because I have a better idea of what the gear can do. But improvisation is one of the key components of survival.

One of the first things I did to prep at home was figure out a water storage system that I thought would work for my situation. Then I got a few containers and filled 'em up. Then when I could afford it, I got a few more. Then I thought, "Geez, maybe we better get some food stored". I add things to my EDC and car kits as I can afford them too. I started out with a BSA Hotspark, and later got a Magfire Pro. Is there anything wrong with the Hotspark? Not really. Do I feel more comfortable having the Magfire on hand? Yes! But it is a process!

I started out with a Gerber paraframe folder. Now I carry a mini RSK M2.
Started with a mini Maglite, now I carry an Arc AAA, Inova X1 or X5 and a DR Freedom Photon.
The process is all about learning and growing. Start out with a pre-made BOB, but LEARN about the contents and their uses. Don't just feel oh, so superior because now you're "prepared". Learn how to use it, and learn how to upgrade it. But the most important thing is to never stop learning. And learning means doing too. Don't just read about how to start a fire, or purify water or put up a shelter. Practice it...a lot! My philosopy (as I've said innumerable times) is "If I have to think about it, I don't know it well enough". That may be a bit much for some people, but the point is, like Gretchen Cordy said in "Prepared to Survive"..."practice using the things in your kit to make a shelter or obtain water..."

<the preacher stops preaching>

Can I get an Amen? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#71300 - 08/17/06 03:24 PM Re: B.O.B
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 1032
Loc: The Netherlands
Amen..... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I agree with every word you said.
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#71301 - 08/17/06 03:38 PM Re: B.O.B
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Registered: 10/31/05
Posts: 117
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...Learn how to use it, and learn how to upgrade it. But the most important thing is to never stop learning. And learning means doing too...


Another quote that I live by:

Learning is a life long process..

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