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#71282 - 08/15/06 04:15 AM B.O.B
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Does anybody know of a company that has ready made BOBs? <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
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#71283 - 08/15/06 04:49 AM Re: B.O.B
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There are many companies that do this, including mine <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />. Check out our emergency kits.

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#71284 - 08/15/06 06:07 AM Re: B.O.B
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There are many out there, most ar over priced and crappy. Do you really want to depend your life on some crappy stuff?

If you do, there are many links here on the forum search for it or google it. A quick search turned outthis There are many online stores that sell BOB's, usually under the name of emergency kit, 72 hours kit, etc.

If you got the time, you can so easily make one, on your own. Because you build it on your own, you will be more formiliar with the contents and it's abilities. Most items included can be found at you home already. IF done correctly you can be a kit cheaper and beter with the stuff you aleady got and thing you have to buy.
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#71285 - 08/15/06 03:48 PM Re: B.O.B
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I advise against a ready-made BOB. If you're in a situation where you really need the BOB then the gear it contains must be well-matched to you, your training, your experience & your locale. This is not a dig on the companies that make the premade BOBs but there is simply no way that they can make choices about what goes into the BOB and have those choices jive with what each user really needs.

BOBs, like FAKs, are just too individual to be mass marketed IMO.

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#71286 - 08/15/06 04:14 PM Re: B.O.B
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ditto Glock-A-Roo!

The BOB is like your PSK, get the stuff you like and works for you! It is like the tool sets at Sears; you get a lot of stuff but you will never use most of it and many things you need are not in there.
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#71287 - 08/15/06 04:33 PM Re: B.O.B
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Okay, to be fair, kd7fqd requested info on pre-made BOBs. I'm pretty sure that most folk on this forum would rather create their own or at the very least heavily modify a retail BOB kit. If you want really high end and are willing to pay, I'm sure you can get a nicely loaded out BOB. The retail kits are certainly better than nothing and it's a definite start.

I would rather see a person buy a retail kit than do nothing. Some of them have at least a few quality components, even though they round out the other necessities with cheaper goods. I have family members who I would help build a kit if they chose. But not everyone is in that situation, or distance/logistics prevents them from helping out. Sure, maybe that BOB has a cheapo $2 D-Cell flashlight, but at least it's a flashlight, and it's less likely to be used in a non-emergency if it's in the kit.

There are a lot of people who want to get it and forget it. That's where the real crime is. I'd like to see them go through the kit, familiarize themselves with it and make additions/subtractions. Also, replacing out of date supplies is important. So how about when a person asks for one of these kits, you ask why, recommend that they create their own if possible based on the miriad lists on this site and others. But also recommend that if one is going to purchase it for oneself or for a distant loved-one or friend, to make sure that the person getting it is aware that it may have some low-end equipment that needs to be swapped out and some dated materials that need to be replensished. If nothing else, it might drive them toward being more prepared in the long run and I see that as a good thing.

Yes, I know that most people here believe that pre-made kits are the bane of survival everwhere, but that's an over-simplification. There are definitely higher end kits (Doug's come immediately to mind), and if folks are willing to spend the money, and save some time or do it conveniently, let them and encourage right-minded consumerism.
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#71288 - 08/15/06 05:47 PM Re: B.O.B
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If you want really high end and are willing to pay, I'm sure you can get a nicely loaded out BOB.


Take this one for example:
http://www.dougritter.com/DR-aviator_survival_pak_contents.htm

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#71289 - 08/15/06 07:50 PM Re: B.O.B
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Somewhere on here I posted the "Rules of Combat". One very important one that applies here: Always remember that your gear is made by the lowest bidder.
That applies to ready made survival kits. With the exception of Doug's kit's of course. (Yes, Doug I'm groveling, sucking up and CYAing!) The critiqes of many ready made kits on the main ETS site make that point quite unambigiuosly. The better one's are a good place to start. But they do need to be checked, supplimented and argumented with other gear.
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#71290 - 08/15/06 08:08 PM Re: B.O.B
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Leigh, as I was trying to say, I don't think it's fair to say that all ready-made kits are crap. Certainly some might not have everything you want, but if you are willing to pay, some certainly are worthwhile. I'd say that you will likely get more value from a smaller vendor who takes time and picks quality merchandise, but the cost won't be cheap (though obviously cheaper than shipping it piecemeal from multiple stores).

There are probably outfitters who would be willing to put something together as well. Yes, it's rather unambiguous what most of them are worth... But something is better than nothing; many people have neither the time, nor inclination to prepare well. Would I want to stake my life on kit built to spec by the lowest bidder? Nope. *Could* it save my bacon if I bought it on a whim and hadn't really thought about preparedness before? Yep. And the next time, presumably I would realize the shortcomings of such a kit.

Let's face it, unless you are a pilot, and demand the best for the lightweight survival, and are willing to fork over the cash, Doug's kit is a bit out of range for most folk. Though it sets me drooling every time I see it.

What I would like to see is pressure from retailers like Redflare back onto the kit manufacturers to turn out higher quality. Certainly cost is a factor, but it's pretty easy to tell the bad kits from the moderately decent. Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to say that folks should buy such kits, but many will, so why not steer them in the right direction? At least SOME of the items in such a kit can be reused once they build their own. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#71291 - 08/16/06 12:17 AM Re: B.O.B
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... "Rules of Combat". One very important one that applies here: Always remember that your gear is made by the lowest bidder.


that hadn't occurred to me, but true, very true!

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#71292 - 08/16/06 08:37 PM Re: B.O.B
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One very important one that applies here: Always remember that your gear is made by the lowest bidder.


But, is it manufactured to very specific and high standards. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#71293 - 08/16/06 10:19 PM Re: B.O.B
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My concern is that most people who cannot, by any measure, be described as knowledgeable about these matter's regard ready made kits as all singing, all dancing, SAR bird overhead etc. They lack the basic knowledge need to a) make an informed choice about what is useful and what is not, and b) how to make best use of the equipment that they do purchase. That is why I said look at the survival kit reviews. Then purchase.
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#71294 - 08/16/06 11:15 PM Re: B.O.B
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I agree, it would be a false sense of security, but since when is that new for PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER.? Especially when they get the cheapest stuff on the market....

My points
1) steer people to the reviews and tell them that a lot of kits are crap unless you spend a decent amount of money.
2) encourage them to get involved and thinking about their gear.
3) If they don't care about 1 or 2, then try to give them specific kit links that don't appear to suck.
4) Failing all else, tell them that you get what you pay for and ask if they want to rely on the cheapest gear to save their lives.

Even if they don't listen to any of it, they *might* end up with something that *could* save their bacon. We hope to have them back after they have the "opportunity" to use said cheap equipment with the realization that they need to upgrade. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#71295 - 08/16/06 11:50 PM Re: B.O.B
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Agree. A BOB is not one size fits all. They are situationally specific -- who, what, where, why, how are all relevant to what goes in the BOB.
who are you and what are your skills?
where are you and where are you bugging out to?
why do you need to bug out?
how are you carrying the BOB and how are you bugging out (on foot,,bicycle, motorcycle, car. . .)?

Once you get those Q's answered you'll realize that any ready built BOB will be inadequate for most situations and good in very few. Putting your own kit together is the only way to go.
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#71296 - 08/17/06 10:09 AM Re: B.O.B
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Thank You so much for your input, I am trying to find kits for people in my church area that arn't to adept at putting together these kinds of kits. We live in Utah where it could be winter storm, wildfire or earthquake, we just never know I already have a B.O.B. for myself and family and we have everything needed to 'bugout" if needed ie:water,clothes, food, lights, heaters(hand) and two way radios(FRS and Ham) Thanks again Mike
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#71297 - 08/17/06 10:55 AM Re: B.O.B
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Contact me offlist, I may be able to provide you with what you need and give you a nice pricebreak on a quantity purchase. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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#71298 - 08/17/06 11:36 AM Re: B.O.B
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When I was designing my kits I had to keep in mind several factors, not the least of which was cost VS quality. If I look at my BOB I have at home and add-up the sums, oh my! It is probably upwards of $400 for two people. Of course I can say I can weather pretty much any disaster rather comfortably, but can I presume others will be able to shell out such sums? No.
One needs to cover the basics: shelter, water, food, first aid, communication. Ideally some nice extras should be included: sanitary supplies, some tools, heat, entertainment.

Below is an interesting take on the prepackaged kits: a review by people who actually went throuh a disaster cituation.

Quote:
Updated:2006-06-16 09:42:48
Gearing up for an emergency: Testing disaster kits
By CHARLES PASSY
AP
Eds: Via AP


By CHARLES PASSY


The Wall Street Journal


The big one is coming.


At least that's what some disaster-kit retailers are saying - whether the big one is a hurricane, earthquake, tornado or bird-flu pandemic. After Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast last year, preparedness has become a growing industry, with stores selling a range of emergency kits. They're generally designed to get people through the first three days after a catastrophe, stocked with flashlights, ponchos, food bars and even portable toilets.


As this year's hurricane season begins, we bought five one- or two-person kits online. Then we showed them to a group of South Floridians who have survived electricity outages and major property damage through three hurricanes in the past two years. We also sought advice from Red Cross preparedness expert Keith Robertory, who named five essentials for any kit: food, water, first-aid supplies, a radio and a source of light. Anything beyond that, he said, depends on location, climate and individual needs for medication and comfort.


The Preparedness Center's $199 kit had 31 items, from a knitted cap to a 13-function knife to freeze-dried food. One surprise: The food required boiling water to prepare, and the kit had nothing to heat up the water - or any water at all. (There's a five-gallon container to fill on your own.) Finally, the panelists found the elaborate restroom kit, including a "urinal bag," a bit much. "This is ridiculous," said one.


The rest of the kits had all five essentials, including sealed packs of water. (The Red Cross recommends keeping a gallon of water a day per person.) Frontier Survival's $92 Deluxe 2-Person 72-Hour Honey Bucket Kit held 29 items, including a gas and water shut-off tool, leather gloves and two ponchos. The bucket can double as a toilet, but the panelists doubted that was necessary, saying they had found plenty of post-storm bathroom alternatives. (We'll leave it at that.) Still, the combination radio-flashlight-siren won points, and two shortbread-like high-calorie food bars and a small supply of six boxes of water were included.


The remaining kits came with backpacks to hold the supplies. The 26-item Hurricane Go Bag Kit, for $90 from Camping Survival, had a small first-aid box and unappetizing ready-to-eat food rations. Even in a disaster, we might have trouble with the "restructured beefsteak," to say nothing of the high, thirst-inducing salt content. We did like the hand-powered flashlight.


Emergency Essentials' $100 Trekker 2-Person 72-Hour Emergency Kit held 49 items. The two food bars and 12 water boxes were complemented with smart extras such as sun-block wipes, toilet paper and multipurpose pliers that one panelist thought would have been useful in hurricanes past. "It sure beats rummaging through your tool box," he said. The kit also had a check-off list of everything else you might need, like prescription medication and extra clothing. The kit comes with two backpacks, and it's our Best Value.


For Best Overall, the judges went with Nitro-Pak Preparedness Center's Executive 72-Hour Survival Kit, with 77 items. A basic kit costs $136, but we ordered the $150 upgraded version, with a wind-up solar radio - a worthy choice, as some panelists said they had quickly run out of batteries after a storm. The basics were mostly well covered, with two high-calorie food bars, 24 water pouches (4.2 ounces each) and a good first-aid kit. The backpack was rugged and held plenty of extras: blankets, a light/heat candle, masks, gloves, ponchos, waterproof matches, a whistle, nylon cord and even playing cards to pass the time.


Is a prepackaged kit really necessary? It's not too difficult to buy the essentials and throw them into a bag. But the panel conceded that if this is what it takes to be prepared, the expense is worth it.

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#71299 - 08/17/06 02:50 PM Re: B.O.B
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It seems some people are very focused on the gear. I'm not saying that good quality gear isn't important. Almost more important is that people know how to use what they have. As has been stated time and time again, the people on this forum are ETS even when we can't carry gear. That's because we use our minds to consider alternatives. Plans and alternate plans have become second nature to most of us. But I think that we have to remember how most of us got to where we are in our thinking, planning and gear choice. It's a process!

Dr. Phil is fond of quoting Maya Angelou, "You did what you knew how to do with what you had, and when you knew better, you did better." (or something like that)

I agree that a pre-made kit could offer a false sense of security, if the person never bothers to explore the kit. True, a pre-made is usually going to have lower quality of gear than most people here would be comfortable with. But, could we survive with that gear? Probably. I would feel much more comfortable or confident with gear that I've used, and tested under various conditions, because I have a better idea of what the gear can do. But improvisation is one of the key components of survival.

One of the first things I did to prep at home was figure out a water storage system that I thought would work for my situation. Then I got a few containers and filled 'em up. Then when I could afford it, I got a few more. Then I thought, "Geez, maybe we better get some food stored". I add things to my EDC and car kits as I can afford them too. I started out with a BSA Hotspark, and later got a Magfire Pro. Is there anything wrong with the Hotspark? Not really. Do I feel more comfortable having the Magfire on hand? Yes! But it is a process!

I started out with a Gerber paraframe folder. Now I carry a mini RSK M2.
Started with a mini Maglite, now I carry an Arc AAA, Inova X1 or X5 and a DR Freedom Photon.
The process is all about learning and growing. Start out with a pre-made BOB, but LEARN about the contents and their uses. Don't just feel oh, so superior because now you're "prepared". Learn how to use it, and learn how to upgrade it. But the most important thing is to never stop learning. And learning means doing too. Don't just read about how to start a fire, or purify water or put up a shelter. Practice it...a lot! My philosopy (as I've said innumerable times) is "If I have to think about it, I don't know it well enough". That may be a bit much for some people, but the point is, like Gretchen Cordy said in "Prepared to Survive"..."practice using the things in your kit to make a shelter or obtain water..."

<the preacher stops preaching>

Can I get an Amen? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#71300 - 08/17/06 03:24 PM Re: B.O.B
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Amen..... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I agree with every word you said.
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#71301 - 08/17/06 03:38 PM Re: B.O.B
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...Learn how to use it, and learn how to upgrade it. But the most important thing is to never stop learning. And learning means doing too...


Another quote that I live by:

Learning is a life long process..

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#71302 - 08/17/06 04:02 PM Re: B.O.B
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I agree with every word you said.

That is something that certainly doesn't happen at home! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#71303 - 08/17/06 04:52 PM Re: B.O.B
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Your concern is very valid. Even if they do know how to strike the match it is amazing how many people don't understand the basics of making a fire. Case in point: Couple years ago I took my son to a friends house for a Birthday Party/Cookout. The dad was going to cook hotdogs & marshmellows over a fire. He had a bunch of wet wood & a good size pile of wet leaves. Also had matches & gallon of gas. He kept pouring on the gas & lighting it only to see it smoulder. Did this for almost an hour. I tried to intervene, but he was hardheaded & rude so I just sat back & chuckled. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Even if you hand the best equipment out there to some folks they still would struggle.

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#71304 - 08/17/06 07:31 PM Re: B.O.B
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Showing the stubborn that what they are doing ain't going to work is one of the more difficult survival skills. The trick to it is getting the message across in a fashion that doesn't cause the "stubborn" to loose face/look stupid. Many people would prefer to be dropped dead rather that look stupid/useless/ignorant in front of their loved ones.
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#71305 - 08/18/06 05:14 AM Re: B.O.B
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Michael,

Not everyone has the time or hobby motivation to put together a complete B.O.B. for themselves or family. If you go the prefab-BOB route, I would still recommend a bit of post purchase customization to fit your personal needs.

Being a good Utah boy, you are lucky to be in the same state as two excellent preparedness companies.

Emergency Essentials- http://beprepared.com/

and

Nitro-Pak http://www.nitro-pak.com/

Both companies provide pre-assembled survival kits. The 72 hour kits are a good start.

I would prefer that someone purchase a less than ideal BOB than to have nothing because they were unable to put together a BOB before a crisis.

Good luck, TR

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