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#71075 - 08/11/06 12:38 PM Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 1032
Loc: The Netherlands
This is my Bug-Out-Bag with orange rain-shield deployed:



The back-pack with a Beach-shelter attached to the outside. It makes a handy and easy shelter,
but is attached with quick-release straps so it can be easely ditched if need be.



In the pouches on the hip-strap is a multitool on the right, and on the left a compass, waterproof note-book,
2 golf-pencils, 1 ball-point, 1 roll of flagging tape, a magnifying-glass and survival instructions.
There's also a gear-keeper with a PhotonII and small folding knife
attached to the outside of the pack.



In the right-side pocket you will find a pair of gloves, shade hat and a bandanna.
I know that woodland-cammo isn't the best colour in survival, but it was the only colour I could find.



The left-side pocket houses a folding saw and a Opinel no #9.



In the top compartiment you'll find the FAK



The contents:

1 waterproof pouch
1 ABD-pad
2 triangulair bandages
1 space-blanket
3 quick-dressings
7 gauze-pads
3 ointment pads
1 set steri-strips
1 pair nitrile examination gloves
1 alumed-dressing
1 antiseptic hand-gel
10 Alcohol prep-pads
2 elastic bandages
1 assortiment bandages
1 flexible-thermometer
30 cm of plastic tubing
1 pack of cotton wool
1 roll of adhesive tape
1 pair of folding scissors
1 emergency-sheers
1 click-away
3 safety-pinns
4 ORS
10 Acethaminophen
1 tube Betadine 30gr.
1 scalpel blade
1 syringe and 2 needles
1 pair of tweezers
1 accident evaluation form and pen



The front-pocket has 30 meters of paracord, 5 meters of nylon cord, a carabiner, fishing kit, 3 meters tubing,
2 sierra cups, a mesh bag and a roll of twine in it

It also houses the FSK:

1 BIC
1 Fire-steel
50 wind-waterproof matches (devided into 2 photo-canisters)
15 Emergency-Tinder
1 folding stove and 6 Esbit-tabs
1 pink-lady candle
1 survival 36 hr candle
4 BBQ fire-sticks

.....and some other bits and pieces:

1 Mess-tin
1 sewing kit
1 roll duct-tape
1 roll dental-floss
1 sharpening stone (v-shaped)



If we open the flap of the backpack, we see yet another pouch. This one contains the signalling and lighting group:

1 LED headlight
2 set's extra batteries
1 World-Band-Reciever
2 set's extra batteries
1 signal-mirror
1 Whistle
1 Neck-lanyard
2 lightsticks



The nr 1 main-compartement:

Zipper-bag with spare-change of underware, 2 of socks.
1 fleece jacket
1 pouch with hygienic items, toilet paper, etc.
1 Map of city/enviroments

Shelter-kit:

1 Tarp
2 Survival-bags
1 Poncho
2 chemical hand-warmers



And finally the no 2 main-compartiment:

-2 liters of water (4/0.5l)
- 1 emergency ration (2400 Kcal)
- 3 packets of emergency biscuits
- 3 Kendalls mint-cake
- 2 chocolate bars

Clear pouch:

2 pieces of HD aluminium foil
3 HD garbage bags
8 ziplocks (4 gallon/4 quart)
8 zip-ties xl
12 zip-ties medium
1 lexan fork, spoon, knife
2 sponges

1 nalgene pouch, containing:

-2 Platypus water bags 2l
-50 Micro-pur water purifying tablets
- 6 coffee-filters
- 400 ml Nalgene bottle, filled with coffee,tea,sugar,creamer,boillon,pepper,sweets, oxo-cubes, etc.


[img]http://file01.uploaddump.nl/~file01/uploads/kkppewmaamkwo-DSCN0942-(Custom).JPG[/img]

And that's it! Hopefully I didn't bore you to much....... <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Any comments??
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#71076 - 08/11/06 01:11 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Registered: 04/08/02
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First what is this BOB suppose to do? I see a lot of shelter equipment. Holland is a very densely populated country. So it's unlikely you can find a private spot somewhere. Not much point in sleeping in front of a goverment shelter, if you can sleep on a matrass with blankets inside.

If you plan on digging (you got gloves) take a FFP2 mask, safety glasses, etc.

- opinel is bad knife for survival, they lock up when wet. A Mora is cheaper and more reliable.

- "50 wind-waterproof matches" no striker mentioned...

- a pink-lady candle... ?

-"lexan fork, spoon, knife". Most hikers and bushcraft people think thats very luxury. Most just carry a spoon or a spork.

-"folding stove and 6 Esbit-tabs" this isn't enough to do serious cooking with your mess kit.

-Beach shelter appears to me, like the kind you have to set up with tent poles and stuff. A tarp will give quicker shelter (if you practised). Since you already have tarp, you could consider ditching the beach shelter.
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#71077 - 08/11/06 01:37 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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My BOB should get me to my BO-location. I'm not planning on going to a public shelter. I'm heading to the forrest nearby.

I know that a Opinel isn't the best knife.I'm still looking for a better knife.
Do they sell Mora's at Country-store?

The striker for the wind/waterproof matches is inside the photo-roll canisters.

A pink-lady candle is just a fancy name for a pink-candle, commonly found in survival kits.

The Esbit also has the original 40 gr fuel tabs in it. And it's just a back-up.

The beach-shelter is attached on the outside of the pack with quick-release straps. So it can be ditched quickly if I have to. However. A beach-shelter is much easier to set up and it doesn't need any tieing-points, unlike a tarp.
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#71078 - 08/11/06 01:53 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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a mora can be ordered from any hardware store or outdoor store that sells victorinox, maglite, silva, opinel, CRKT, Kershaw, etc. The importer is Homeij, which is one of the largest importers of knifes in holland. All you need is the article number ( http://www.homeij.nl/artikelen/catalogus...mp;amp;rubrid=6 )

Looking at the dangers in holland, the main problems are water and chemical disasters. In sealand we ofcorse have the nucleaire reactor also.

If you get caught in a flood, bugging out to a forest is not very productive, getting the heck out is. Also you lack any carbon water threatment, so chemical polution won't be removed from the water, which is not very nice during a chemical disaster. Abviously standing in a poluted area isn't smart either. In a nuclear problem, forest and anything thing made of woods absorb the radiation and become radiactive them self. Not nice either.

Not saying that bugging in to a forest is always bad, but it has many disadvatages too. A goverment shelter will give you much more options. You can (almost) always leave.


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#71079 - 08/11/06 02:02 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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They sell mora's at http://www.4x4unlimited.nl/mes.htm

But I've never orderd anything from them, so no first hand experience here.

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#71080 - 08/11/06 02:07 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Loc: United Kingdom.
A camo hat might be a better idea than you think. If things go pearshaped to the point of having to BO being low vis might be advisable. A camo hat helps to break up your profile. Very useful when reconing the rout ahead. A low viz raincover for your pack might be smart as well.
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#71081 - 08/11/06 02:13 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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wow, the sure like to charge more than the MSRP!
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#71082 - 08/11/06 02:22 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
As witnessed during Katrina, government shelters may restrict what you can have inside. Some of your supplies may become communal property or may simply be confiscated. You might want to check on how your shelters operate. Personally, I won't have anything to do with a government shelter.
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#71083 - 08/11/06 02:38 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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In the past large bags and suitcase were allowed inside dutch goverment shelter. Goverment shelter have in the past proven to be rather emty, because everybody goes to relatives and friends. Whats your remains yours. The dutch law does not allow items to be confiscated unless they are illegal or writen down and announced inside the shelter. Also they don't search your stuff to find illegal items. They will only enforce the law if it's publicly visible or posses a threath.

In holland we rather use the "soft" approach to deal with things, instead of starting off a negative impuls given by searches and confiscations.
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#71084 - 08/11/06 03:05 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Cool. I wouldn't consider a shelter here.
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#71085 - 08/11/06 06:16 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Registered: 03/18/06
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Loc: The Netherlands
Wich types of Mora's are there? What do you use?

(your link didn't work)
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#71086 - 08/11/06 07:49 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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well there are actually 3 manufatures in a place called Mora. They all make very similair knifes. The one imported in holland are primarily made by Frost. The intire imported line is right here(they do make a lot more models): http://www.homeij.nl/index2.asp?pagina=a...42%26rubrid%3D6

i have the Frost "trainings knife", which is a very simple green colored knife with plastic handle, plastic sheath and plain carbon steel. For survival use, i would recommend one of the plastic handle versions. Rubber gripped one's if you want more grip, since the plastic ones can be quite slippery. They have 3 kinds of steel: carbon, stainless and triflex. If you new to this take stainless, if your used to maintain your knife carbon, if your more experianced and have a little more to spend triflex.

I also use 2 from the K.J. Eriksons Mora's, but they are not imported by any large company's.
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#71087 - 08/13/06 02:53 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag...food
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consider adding more food in the form of energy or granola type bars. Light, cheap and caloric

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#71088 - 08/13/06 09:08 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag...food
JIM Offline
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I already have a Emergency ration, high-energy biscuits,chocolate bars and kendall's mint cake.
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#71089 - 08/13/06 05:36 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
Holy cow!

Between paying off a new car and paying down a credit card, there's no coin left for any of this gear.

My hat's off to you, sir.

Craig

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#71090 - 08/13/06 06:26 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
JIM Offline
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Registered: 03/18/06
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Loc: The Netherlands
Quote:
Holy cow!

Between paying off a new car and paying down a credit card, there's no coin left for any of this gear.

My hat's off to you, sir.


<img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I know: kits add up........a lot <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I guess those 6 weeks of working as a holiday-job in a nursing-home for the minimum-wage are finally paying off.......


Edited by JIM (08/13/06 07:14 PM)
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#71091 - 08/14/06 12:49 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Your BOB is looking pretty nice, Jim! And you certainly didn't bore me, I love looking at other people's Bug Out Bags.

I definitely like the modularity. I'm doing the same with mine.

I can second the vote of confidence for the Moras by Frosts with the comment "Cheap but Solid". I carry a #760MG as one of my backup knives. It cost me $11.00 (US).

Do you have a smaller bag to carry equipment in if you have to leave your base camp to look for water or for some other need?

And now one of the most important questions...
How much does it weigh? <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I took my BOB out for a field test this weekend, and I must admit that though I'm able to carry the load with confidence, and though I've made it modular so I can quickly drop equipment if need be, it's still very heavy, and I'm rethinking many items that it contains.
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#71092 - 08/14/06 09:22 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
JIM Offline
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Loc: The Netherlands
Never thought of adding a smaller bag. Maybe a good idea, I'll look into it, thanks.

The weight <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />........really want to know??

14kg, 28 pounds, about 31 lbs <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Now I must say that I can carry the weight of my BOB easely. I took it on several hikes and never had a problem with it.

But (I hear you think): What if you're injured?? Well, because the kit is modular, I can take the basics out of the bag and ditch the rest. But in a really bad situation
I'dd just ditch the BOB. My pockets also contain the minimal survival equipment to keep me alive.

I think 31 lbs is a small price to pay for the potential that load gives me.
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#71093 - 08/15/06 04:25 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag...food
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Yep. And not only will you still feel hungry (which makes sleeping and concentrating harder), but if you have to do a lot of physical activity (say, hike 20K and dig for a five or six hours) you'll burn that in two days.

Also, keep in mind, to some degree food and sleep can be used to balance against eachother.
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#71094 - 08/15/06 08:45 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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31 pounds isn't bad if you can carry it confidently.

I think my BOB runs around 50 lbs. when I carry my tent and sleeping bag. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I really should weigh it to make sure... Or should I?
If I know how much it weighs for sure I might suffer mentally from the thought of it. LOL
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#71095 - 10/29/06 04:45 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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I assume you're carrying elsewhere: cash, contact numbers, map of area (several versions)*, Cell phone, radio?

Teacher

*( topo, highway, transit, etc.)

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#71096 - 10/29/06 06:58 PM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
JIM Offline
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You're right, but a map is in my BOB.
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#71097 - 11/01/06 03:11 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
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Jim do a search on E-Bay for Mora Knife, I got mine for $6.00 US Dollars.
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#71098 - 11/01/06 10:53 AM Re: Jim's Bug-Out-Bag
JIM Offline
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Loc: The Netherlands
Thanks for the tip.

I recently purchased a Mora to go in my BOB.
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