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#70636 - 08/05/06 06:03 PM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
harrkev Offline
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We in the UK have that problem with asprin and related products. With these it is supposed to discourage suicide attempts.


Huh? That makes no sense. Who actually tries to ofrf themselves using aspirin? I am sure that it would work, but ther are so many other methods.

Is this actually a problem there?
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#70637 - 08/05/06 06:36 PM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
Brangdon Offline
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It's paracetamol as well as aspirin. I gather there were around 200 deaths a year, and a fair number of liver transplants. After the legislation (in 1998), the figures dropped by around 20%. Of course, those 40 people may have just killed themselves with a different method, but that's probably a good thing in that these pills are said to be one of the least pleasant ways to die. (They destroy your liver and then it takes a week to die, with no cure other than a liver transplant. Not recommended.)

Some references:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/172674.stm
http://www.pharmweb.net/pwmirror/pwy/paracetamol/pharmwebpicsizeleg.html
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#70638 - 08/05/06 07:31 PM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
desertrat1 Offline
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Loc: Kingman AZ
Instead of buying psuedefed try benedril and dimeatap instead. besides they give you beyyer symtom coverage than just one medicine
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#70639 - 08/05/06 08:30 PM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
NAro Offline
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Registered: 03/15/01
Posts: 518
"Who actually tries to off themselves using aspirin?"
.....and tylenol... In my experience, children and adolescents.

With regard to the buying limits on pseudoephedrine, whether or not it is helping depends on the local meth lab situations. I'm told it is helping where I live. But anyway, the number I've been legally permitted to buy has been enough for several courses of treatment, so I can live with the PITA.

For your carry FAK consider NOT using a combination product. For my in-the-field-FAK I use benedryl (in the US they're available OTC at 25mg. dosages) BECAUSE it can make me drowsy in the 50-100mg dosage and thus can pinch-hit for an occasional sleeping pill. There are also (for many people) some mild anti-vertigo properties..thus it can help motion sickness for some of us. And it seems to act faster as an antihistamine for insect stings than does loratadine (at least for me). I use pseudoephedrine if I need the decongestant effect.

For my AT HOME, every day use..space and multi-function not an issue.. I don't care about the alternative uses of diphenhydramine so loratadine (Claratin) is o.k. But I don't use Claratin-D (the D being...pseudoephedrine..) I use the regular.. and add the D .. pseudoephedrine as needed.
For me, typically what "they" decide is the right combination of the two isn't what I decide. So I avoid the combined products. FWIW

Also, I'd not use Dimetapp with Benedryl. Dimetapp uses the antihistamine Brompheniramine. You'd be getting two antihistamines, and I don't understand why that would be helpful. Dimetapp also contains as a decongestant the drug Phenylpropanolamine: which has been associated with an increased risk of hemorrhagic stroke (bleeding into the brain or into tissue surrounding the brain) in women. Men may also be at risk. Although the risk of hemorrhagic stroke is low, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommends that consumers not use any products that contain phenylpropanolamine. Now I guess I'll get flamed by the Dimetapp lobby. But this is just my preference YMMV

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#70641 - 08/06/06 02:15 AM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
ironraven Offline
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If you paid any method other than cash, a simple court order (or politely worded request on the right letter head) could tell them that. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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#70642 - 08/06/06 02:19 AM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
ironraven Offline
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Let's see... Benedril may make you sleepy (don't plan on walking far, much less in a straight line) and sudafed may make you sleepy (sit down, take med, count to 50).

Me, I'm sticking with relying on something that won't put my lights out or leave me a little punchy. Bad thing when firearms, cars, knives or someplace other than your living room is invloved. :P
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#70643 - 08/06/06 02:54 PM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
raiderrescuer Offline
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Registered: 10/04/04
Posts: 30
Sad part of all of it is the Meth Heads already were using something else.
Here in Oregon a prescription is required now for any type phedrine, pseudo or otherwise and still gets ID checked and logged.

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#70644 - 08/06/06 08:18 PM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
anotherinkling Offline
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Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 109
Loc: Chicago
Cheers!

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2 lb sulphur
3 lb saltpetre
6 lbs charcoal


That'd be "foot powder", right?

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#70645 - 08/07/06 06:41 AM Re: Over the counter cold meds add to FAK
7k7k99 Offline
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Registered: 06/01/05
Posts: 375
Loc: Ohio
update: well I went to Sam's club over the weekend and picked up two of the plastic cards for Sudafed with pseudophedrine and had to wait for the pharmacist to get back from lunch. I produced the two plastic cards and asked what the current law was? and was I limited to one or two packages. He replied two packages and then stated the law is changing again very soon. Then I had to produce a driver's license which was scanned and entered into the computer. He advised I would probably have to show ID again when I purchased them at the front check out since I had other shopping to do. Surprised I didn't have to be fingerprinted and photographed as well. I feel like a criminal and all I want to do is get over this head cold. What is this country coming to? <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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