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#70272 - 08/03/06 04:21 AM Re: Announcing United States Knife & Tool Associat
Macgyver Offline
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Registered: 05/24/06
Posts: 88
Loc: Victoria Australia
Good job Doug, it won't help us over here in Australia, but it is important to defend the rights of knife owners in America.

The laws over here are ridiculous in regard to knives. Hey they can't keep knives out of prisons, what hope have they got in the real world! Over here you can have a knife on you if you have a "Lawful Reason" for carrying, and it is up to the discretion of our police to decide if it is lawful or not. Essentially you have to show that your job requires the use of it, and that you are working.

Many of the stabbings over here are done with kitchen knives and are perpetrated by people with a history of mental problems. The problem is that we have loonys on the street which shouldn't be there and knives are being blamed instead of the government's poor mental health policies.

Now people are using iron bars as well, the problems have nothing to do with the availability of weapons, but with the state of our physically and mentally sick kids who have grown up in a poisonous culture and experimented with drugs.

When living in America, in Nashville, I wore a sheath knife on my belt for years, all day, every day. I wouldn't even dream of doing that over here in Melbourne. Having a 750 AU dollar knife confiscated and facing a 600 dollar fine (possibly) just doesn't seem too attractive. My EDC is now a Gerber Multitool which does not draw as much attention.

I hope that you will be able to help fend off this attack from the well meaning but logically challenged members of society; many of whom have never had to use a knife for anything other than cutting up a steak.

Being a knifemaker, I acknowledge that I may be a little biased but knives don't kill people, people do! In prisons inmates can be killed with no more than a roll of newspaper!


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#70273 - 08/03/06 01:37 PM Re: Announcing United States Knife & Tool Associat
Doug_Ritter Offline

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Registered: 01/28/01
Posts: 2213
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Any thoughts yet on what strategies might be used by USKTA? Political lobbying? Grass roots "get the information out"? Organized demonstrations?

Yes... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Well, not so sure about organized demonstrations, at least I don't see that as being a common strategy.
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More of a spoken hope that USKTA will move forward with a reasonable plan and make good use of moneys that come in, which will probably be on the low end of the financial scale as the organization is just starting out. Any comments on how the "interested parties" numbers are looking? I realize that this may be (should be?) privilaged information at this early date, so no pressure to answer. Just wondering - that's all.

One reason we didn't start out just collecting money for memberships is that we want to be able to answer some of these questions before we ask folks to pony up a membership fee. We also wanted to feel confident that we could have a decent chance of making a go of this, before we started asking for and spending their money. There are a ton of questions we need to answer before we go forward. What corporate structure, where to incorporate, what's the business and operational plan, etc., etc. We're working on answering those questions and we're looking at others that have already tread this path and trying to select the best options. We also need to decide what sort of services we need to offer our membership, besides advocacy, and we'll be looking for that input from those who have expressed interest and elsewhere.

Doing what we propose, being an advocate for our freedom, is not a small thing. It requires a lot of money, which means it requires we build up a large and loyal membership base. We have to figure out how best to do that with the resources available. As such, for the initial start-up period we envision a large part of the resources will be aimed at signing up members, because ultimately, that is what gives us the power to be effective advocates. We need to take both a short view and a long view and not lose sight of the ultimate goal, the size of organization with the ability to influence politicians that only are interested in the loudest, squeakiest wheel. It is numbers that count here.
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I was expecting to run into front-page lengthy discussion over on BladeForums, but I did not see that - not obvious to me, anyway. Not in the Politics forum, not in Knife Laws. Maybe I just missed it. If it wasn't for visiting the ETS website, I probably would have no idea that any of this was going on.

There are threads in all the knife forums and many other forums. You are right in that with rare exception, they haven';t evolved into gargantuan threads. Why? Maybe because a lot of folks are sitting back and waiting to see what happens. Skepticism? Perhaps. Apathy? I hope not.

We are gaining traction and I hope that over the next few days and weeks you'll be seeing and hearing more about USKTA. It's taking time just to get hold of the opinion leaders in the industry and every one of those conversations ends up being an hour long one it seems. I spent 5 hours yesterday on the road for a meeting that lasted an hour itself to get a check that was offered us to help finance the initial start-up for this. Some things can only be done in person. Meanwhile, I still have a day job or two or three. Sleep is not an option... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

We'll be making the Supporters page live later today. I'm pleased that about 80% of those who sign up stand up to be counted by providing their name and location. Others tell me I'm getting a good response, better than they expected, all things considered. As for me, I know how many from this forum alone ought to have signed up. I know how relatively few have. <shrug> Again, waiting, skepticism, apathy? I don't know.

Ultimately, it'll all depend on people like you who spread the word and get others to sign up and spread the word and... All I can do it get this started and try to guide it along during its start-up. If nobody else feels their freedom to own and carry the pocket knife they want is all that important, well, it won't fail because I didn't try.
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#70274 - 08/04/06 02:27 AM Re: Announcing United States Knife & Tool Associat
massacre Offline
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Registered: 12/07/05
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Loc: Central Illinois
I signed up and sent it to a dozen friends asking for their support as well. Good on ya Doug!
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