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#70173 - 08/01/06 03:28 AM Re: Listen to Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Tal
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More to the point, with the right accompanying dishes, they probably taste decent. If not, that is what marinade is for.

What can I say, I like mutton.
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#70174 - 08/01/06 05:07 AM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Show
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I just read that through. My first reaction was anger. Which is what the author intended (I think). My second reaction was can he be sued for liable? Probably not. I suspect that everything in that artical was accurate but quoted out of context. My third reaction was: Not another selfrightious moron who thinks that you should never use violence. Reaction number four was: Has anyone given that Marine a medal? Best way to deal with this gentleman is to make him look like an idiot. Be cool Gentlemen.
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#70175 - 08/01/06 05:21 AM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Sh
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Can't sue a newspaper over an editorial. That's gone to the supreme court a few times. Newspaper editors can say anything they want so long as they don't swear. Last time I looked, they could even defame someone's character, so long as they printed a half column inch worth of retraction or the senior editor said "it was his opinion, not the official position of the paper".

It's just like you can't sue a congress critter for what he says on the chamber floor, even if it is out and out lies.
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#70176 - 08/01/06 01:26 PM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Show
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Here's what gets me:

"...ex-Marine Thomas Autry used a two-inch blade in May to kill one mugger and wound another when he was confronted by five assailants armed with a shotgun and a .38-caliber pistol."

Which is followed immediately by:

"Clearly we are seeing wounds you would expect from a bigger blade from what victims say was a small knife,"

The author doesn't quite say it, but the assosciation he wants you to make is that the muggers with the .38 and the shotgun were victims of this fine Marine and his little pocket knife.

I suspect that he could have taken both of them on even without the knife. I want this guy watching my back!
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#70177 - 08/01/06 03:32 PM Site of Interest related to the article.
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Check out: http://www.uskta.org/ (for those who may not be able to listen to the broadcast).
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#70178 - 08/01/06 07:18 PM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Show
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BUT of COURSE they are VICTIM'S. How DARE he fight back! Who does HE THINK HE IS??? I DEMAND he be IMMEDIATELY arrested!


If you think I'm be sarcastic, you would be quite right. It's also the attitude prevalent this side of the pond. We have a very major problem over here. Your next.
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#70179 - 08/01/06 10:36 PM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Show
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not during my lifetime.
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#70180 - 08/02/06 05:18 AM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Show
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When did you say your funeral was?

If these idiots ain't stomped on hard and fast, self defence will be a criminal offence. As it is (de facto) in the UK.
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#70181 - 08/02/06 08:03 AM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Sh
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You can this side of the pond. There are two defence's to an action for liable. One is "fair comment" and the second is that you are telling the truth. Newspapers tend to rely upon the first defence. As for the Congress Critter, it's normal for parliments to have quite extensive privilege with regards to what their members can say. How far the CC can go, depends entirely on the Speaker.
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#70182 - 08/02/06 12:58 PM Re: Doug Ritter & Les de Asis on Gun Talk Radio Show
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"If these idiots ain't stomped on hard and fast, self defence will be a criminal offence. As it is (de facto) in the UK."

Fortunately some in the US woke up in time to begin fighting back. I'm speaking of organizations like the NRA, GOA, and JPFO. We could still lose, but at least we have a fighting chance.


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