Ken, from your posts, are you assembling a boating kit? Sportsmanguide is a well known retailer. Be very,very carefull about surplus. Theres a reason it's surplus. usually it's past it's usefull life, worn beyond reasonable repair or has been superceded with a superior product. Buy nothing rated less than new or excellent. Anything called "G.I. type or style" is salespeak for MADE IN CHINA. Always compare with new commercial equivelents; both for cost and design. There are some deals in surplus, just be very carefull ;O)