Raven; Large Alice or medium? Military design ( Kifaru/Eagle ect) or civi? What about color? Some say OD or Tan for cammo, some say mil look can get you shot in some senarios, and you should blend with the sheep. And where do you find decent large capacity external frame packs? Since Kelty stopped making the Super Toiga, I kind of gave up on the species My plan is to either drive with the wife (given enough lead time before the roads morph into parking lots) in which case color dosn't matter, or if not, we will E&E accross the Bronx and take a secluded bike, hike, deer, or mouse trail home. Long dam walk though Jim