In layman's terms sometimes you just have to go camping and risk getting a little uncomfortable. Some folks advocate ultralight camping that reflects more philosophy than real world needs. Thats great if your seeking a beautific vision like a mendicant monk. On the flip side some people set up a perimeter defense with dedicated bear rifles and fail to notice the butterflies. Everyone's needs fall somewhere in between the two, depending of course on experience, finances and the minimum wage for Sherpa guides to shlep this stuff for you. Go camping and then you'll know better than anyone here what YOU need. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />