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#68831 - 07/10/06 01:16 PM Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
duckear Offline
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What to carry?
N95 mask
usual FAK
ExStream Purifier as my water bottle
Passport, visa, papers etc in front pocket


Can you carry a pocketknife in China as a tourist? I was planning on carrying a SAK, nothing offensive in most areas, but China??????



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#68832 - 07/10/06 04:19 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
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I was planning on carrying a SAK, nothing offensive in most areas, but China??????


Let me guess: Made in China?? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#68833 - 07/10/06 04:20 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
KenK Offline
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I was in Taipei once and got terribly lost and disoriented in the downtown area. I was tired (jet lag), the streets didn't run straight (N-S or E-W) and the signs were all in red & green and I don't read Chinese so they looked similar.

Next time I will most certainly bring a small GPS (I've since bought a Garmin Geko 201) and a small global compass so I can at least find me way back to my hotel (pre-set as a waypoint).

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#68834 - 07/10/06 05:42 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
horizonseeker Offline
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i carry my delica/endura/leatherman tool while in China. never had a problem or even second looks.

SAKs, good to carry, non-threatening, and makes good gifts if you decide to not bring it back.


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#68835 - 07/10/06 05:45 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
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I had no problems carrying a SWK in Bejing, Lanzhou, Foshan, or Guangzhou back in 2004. It travelled in my checked luggage during flights but the security guards never commented on it when they searched my bags. There were knives and swords for sale everywhere in the tourist shops, including Victrinox & Wenger SWK's. I bought a sword in Lanzhou and carried it back ten blocks to the hotel without raising any alarms. I think you'll be okay with a pocketknife.

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#68836 - 07/10/06 06:29 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
ducktapeguy Offline
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I doubt you'll have any problem carrying a Swiss army knife or leatherman type tool, they sell cheap replica knives like that all over the place, so it's a pretty common sight. I've also carried a sword around the streets of hong kong, nobody gives it a second look.

I would definitely recommend a small button compass or something similar, just because it is really confusing in the city when you get off a subway. I would skip the water purifier, it's probably not necessary unless you plan on going camping, you'll find bottled water all over the place. Both cities are very modernized, so the stuff you carry should probably be more focused for an urban environment, you probably won't need the wilderness survival gear while you're there.

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#68837 - 07/10/06 07:31 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
Kuovonne Offline
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Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 71
Loc: Spring, TX
How about adding

  • photocopies of passport, visa, and other important papers. Also include contact information for nearest consolate or embassy. Just in case you run into trouble that requies your government's help.
  • small phrase book if you don't speak the langauge or local dialect. Even if you can't say the words, you can point to them if necessary.
  • contact info for the hotel where you will be staying (name, address, phone) on a small business card size piece of paper. (Once at the hotel, of course just pick up their business cards. This is in case you need it before you get to the hotel, for example when taking a taxi from the airport.)
  • contact info for your guides or whoever you are meeting.
  • small amount of local currency, especially if you have short connections before you will be able to change money.
  • maps of the areas where you will be
  • Knowledge of any scams common at the airports that you will be using. For example, official looking people that strap your luggage and then demand money, even thoug it is not necessary. For example, helpful looking people who will help you change money but who end up giving you a horrible exchange rate.
  • knowledge of how to phone home using the local phone system.
  • your best manners


And don't forget what to leave behind (complete itenary, contact info for you, etc.)


-Kuovonne

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#68838 - 07/10/06 07:38 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
Kuovonne Offline
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Loc: Spring, TX
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SAKs, good to carry, non-threatening, and makes good gifts if you decide to not bring it back.


I would recommend against planning on using SAKs as gifts, unless you know in advance that the person really wants that particular knife.
Giving knives, scissors, or cutting utensils of any type symbolizes cutting the relationship. I've heard of this in multipe cultures, including Chinese, and the Chinese people tend to read a bit more into symbols that Americans.

-Kuovonne

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#68839 - 07/10/06 08:14 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
NYC2SoCal Offline
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Registered: 10/31/05
Posts: 117
I agree with what Kuovonne has to say.. There are cultural differnces between the east and the west. When I was in Taiwan, it is customary when exchanging business cards, money and other monetary items to give and receive with both hands. It is their way of expressing gratitude for the business/relationships.. Knives and other sharp objects are rarely given as gifts.

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#68841 - 07/10/06 08:55 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
akabu Offline
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Registered: 10/23/02
Posts: 97
Loc: Brooklyn NY
SAK no problem .carried that and a Military for five weeks all over China be discrete
http://www.urbanrail.net/as/shan/shanghai.htm
http://de.geocities.com/m_hong_kong/hong-kong.htm
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world_cities/hongkong.jpg
CG tel#s 852 2841 2323,2523,9011 write down, e mail engrave on forehead you Are Not In The USA.
If you have go to the CG be their before 9 am ! Be prepared to be searched.
Scan and send to yourself as e-mail all important papers, if you have an old passport give it to someone to hold and send to the CG or as they direct.
You can backtrack these links for more info,http://www.infohub.com/




Edited by akabu (07/10/06 10:10 PM)

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#68842 - 07/10/06 09:29 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
akabu Offline
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Registered: 10/23/02
Posts: 97
Loc: Brooklyn NY
There is so much to see and do I would not know where to start but I will recommend
TOP 10 HONG KONG ISBN 0-7894-8434-x
www.dk.com
LONELY PLANET CITY MAP Hong Kong ISBN 1-86450-007-7 www.lonelyplanet.com
And a very good camping equipment store
Ying Cheong Leather goods
303 Shanghi Street,G/F, Yaumati,Kowloon,HK
Its 3 blocks off of Nathan Road and Wing Shing Land

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#68843 - 07/11/06 03:42 AM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
buckeye Offline
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Registered: 06/03/05
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Loc: Ohio
Duckear,

I spent two weeks in Beijing and Nanchung this year. Very cold and dry in the north while cold and wet in the south at that time of the year. Suggest you follow advice on carrying documents, back-up copies of documents and a back-up to that. I even saved images of all documents to my PDA. Not that they would be valid, but an acquaintance of mine suggested that if you do lose the originals, and you have to visit the US Embassy, they will at least take you a bit more seriously -- potentially saving some time in getting the replacement paperwork started.

I carried all my originals on me, in a Victorinox Neck pouch worn under my shirt and other valuables in an Eagle Creek UnderCover™ Deluxe Security Belt. I just felt better having everything close to me [see aside in brackets below]. I also left paper and electronic copies of all information with my wife.

I took a very small Gerber and a Squirt P4 in checked baggage. No problems, even flying with-in China.

I would suggest some waterproof-breathable rain-gear. South of the Yangtze can be pretty warm, wet and damp this time of year.

What I needed and used most was my Adventure Medical Kits Weekender (packed in checked baggage) and AMK Ultralight .9 (packed in carry-on) customized to my preferences.

When I changed planes in Narita, exicted to be off the plane after 15 hours and in a new land and not focused on my immediate surroundings, I smacked the back of my hand against a metal sign inside the terminal, which is when I put the Ultralight .9 in my carry-on to use. I arrived in Beijing six hours later on Chinese New Years at 11:00 pm China time, which is when I was greeted with the information my checked bag somehow didn't make the trip across the Pacific -- it showed up two days later pretty much undisturbed except for the addition of the "we have looked at your underwear" note from the TSA. Even though I washed the wound with soap and water (we were staying at the Grand Hyatt and tap water was fine to consume), the back of my hand was already infected and throbbing. When my bags arrived, I cleaned, disinfected and treated the infection further and started on a course of Z-Pack, which my doctor was kind enough to prescribe as a just-in-case, as this turned out to be. Even by the time I returned to the states, it still wasn't really healed, and took another three to four weeks to clear up. Though it's a small scar, I'll carry it as a memento forever. Also, FAK came in handy for a few cuts and scrapes my friends acquired.

I carried phone numbers and addresses to the US Embassies in the areas I was going into. My cell carrier is Cingular, and for $5.00 / month, I was able to activate international roaming and dialing, and if I recall, calls home cost a reduced rate of $1.99/minute with that package added on. You can cancel that add-on upon returning to the States. My company also has office in Beijing and Hong Kong. Even though I don't know anyone there, I looked-up the address and phone number information of a few people there and stored on it paper and in my PDA. Just knowing I had them

If you're interested The State Dept has some info and Foreign travel info and registration

The Katadyn is good choice and I carried one, but never needed it. Even when traveling to and south of the Yangtze through the Lushan area, I was able to get boiled water. And despite what I write below, everyone I met was kind, helpful and considerate.

To pass the time on the flight(s), you might consider "Frontiers of Heaven" by Stanley Stewart. A tale of his journey on the Yangtze from Shanghai to the Pakistan boarder. By the eight hours mark thorough the trip and looking how comfortable other passengers more well traveled than I seemed, I was wishing I had one of those travel neck pillow/supports.

[Re using the "hidden" pouches, glad I did. When I was in the Beijing train station, I had several shirts and some snacks come up missing out of my backpack, during the three hours waiting on the train. It must have been pretty obvious to everyone except me and my two friends, as we were personally escorted to our train car, about 30 minutes before posted boarding time by a uniformed (what state worked isn't) station employee, who was pretty much laughing and shaking her head at us.

Guess they saw our plight and got us out of there while we still had some possessions left. I will always remember looking back and the looks on the faces of the hundreds of people waiting to begin boarding -- some looked quite disgusted that we were put to the front of the pack, others looking at us like we were being "taken away" (and don't think that thought didn't cross our minds for a few minutes) and a few looked like they were just glad to see us go.

Please believe me, when you are in one room, literally out-numbered 500 to 1 on one of the busiest travel days of the year, and can't say anything more that "hello" (knee-how), thank you (she-a she) (my very poor attempt at typing how it sounded to me) and "Happy New Year" you'll not want to make a fuss, and be grateful for all the help you can get.]

Safe travels and enjoy.

Buckeye
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#68844 - 07/11/06 08:23 AM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
Tjin Offline
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Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 1821
SAK is just fine.

Documents in front pockets are not the greatest idea. Carry them in hidden pockets on your body, where every you go. Somebody sliced open of of my dad pockets and stole a few things and somebody stoled my mothers purse in a hospital and they certainly don't look like toerists.

Carry you money on to seperate places. (or more). One easy to brag waller for what you will use during the day and the rest well hidden on your body.
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#68845 - 07/11/06 03:33 PM Re: Going to Hong Kong and Shanghai for 2 weeks
horizonseeker Offline
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Registered: 07/12/05
Posts: 84
giving of knives is not considered "cutting a bond" in Chinese culture, I often give away SAK classics and they are well received. That is mostly an European custom it seems. Nor do you need to "blood" your knife so it "belongs" to you.

Cultural customs are different, but you should make sure the custom you are complying with actually applies to the culture in question.

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