I have been stopping by here for some months, but I didn't have much to add so I didn't sign up. Now I do have something to add, and it is - Doug, thanks for stepping in and reminding us what this forum is all about!<br><br>The survival/survivalist difference is clear - survival preparedness means getting through an emergency long enough to return to civilization (that is, help). Survivalism means the emergency is permanent (that is, there is no civilization and no help - you're on your own). Being prepared is second nature to me (I was an Eagle Scout); planning for the end of civilized society is not (As an architect, the Apocalypse would be rather bad for business....).<br><br>Doug, this is the best darn site on the Web!<br><br> ......CLIFF<br><br><br>