OK, so it is in a newer version than my copies. :P

My bug out is similiar, but rather than something like what Simon describes being my start, it is my destination. If everythign goes according to plan (wish me luck on job interview), two hours by car to get to my folks, no big deal. Average speed, 50mph+. Take the alternative routes, it increases to 3, even four hours with some of them.

Assuming my car doesn't have a problem. If it has wheels, I don't trust it all that much.

Hundred, hundred twenty miles, I can do that in four or five days on foot. And not a lick of that is going to be cross country. I'd rather not be mistaken for a fool flatlander at that point. On the major route, I'd probably only have to spend one of those nights outside, if everyone is home, but if they aren't or there are complications, I need the gear. And I need it light, and compact, becuase odds are anything going wrong will be in winter and I'll need extra gear.

Sure, I'm planning for a near worst case senario, but it is the one that I need to keep in mind.

And Simon hit on the head of the difference between US and Canada requirements, and the requirements of Europe- there are a lot less of us per square whatever. Sure, most of our population lives in the urban areas, but a lot of those of us on ETS (who I unfortunately can not consider an accurate cross section of our individual nations' people) who are in the US are rural. I have to drive 10 miles to get a gallon of milk or gas when I'm at my folks. Not as far as some, but a lot more than most.

I know what you mean, Wolf. I lived in the city recently and had to get out of it. I chased possums out of garages twice with a broom stick, and skunks with their young would walk in the back yard. Even wild turkeys are in the city limit.

Got out of the city recently, Just work in it now. Still yuck. Close enough to use it, far away enough to be back in the boonies. Its not a big city so I don't worry about urban e&e. It doesn't take long to just drive away from it using various routes or walk right out of it using routes thru the woods no city slicker would use. So my car kit and survival pouch and PSK work nicely.

There are so many forests surrounding this city, its funny how you talk to people and they don't have a clue. They would stick driving out the main routes, while if I had to bug out of work, I could walk out of the city quicker through the woods if a disaster occurred.

I think I am logged into the site because it is letting me reply but I cannot post a new post???

I'll check your account and see what's going on.

Thanks!
I'm posting like normal here in the hospital, so maybe it was only an issue on my home PC...too bad I work every other week, that means I cant post but every other week too <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I like the idea of the 'pouch' to supplement the psk. I think I'm going to get one of these:
http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/accessdetail.cfm/SN2400
Then find a pouch for the tall pot to fit in then fill in the pot with the supplementals. The pot is also available in titanium for a bit of weight savings.