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#64261 - 04/19/06 01:04 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las Vegas
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I prefer a nice .45 auto and a CCW permit. Extra mags a must. The noise alone has a reasonable effect. But of course, law enforcement would be an option given some forewarning. Vegas is rough these days. Not like the 60's and 70's when it was civilized!
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#64262 - 04/19/06 01:28 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las Vegas
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I don't really understand why there was no police response while this was going on -- there are bike patrols all over the strip and tons of cameras and security personnel in every hotel, but where were they in this instance?

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#64263 - 04/19/06 01:39 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las Vegas
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Registered: 09/08/05
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Because if no one sees it, cops can't be called. And people have selective vision.

More to the point, if all you want to do is kill someone, you can do it with your bare hands and a little training in under 5 minutes. The cops getting there in 7 minutes won't mean much for you.
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#64264 - 04/19/06 02:17 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las V
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
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Massacre, I think you hit the mark.

I think a gun would've made an impression, these were kiddie punks and not real gang bangers, or he'd have done serious hospital time at the least. He was lucky to walk away. My first guess would've been disengagement, he certainly had plenty of opportunity before he provoked the attack.

I suspect one of the punks will get pinched and roll on his pals, and they'll all end up being the children of concerned parents and get handed community service and reparations and a mark on their record for 4 or 5 years. I also suspect the fool will sue his employer and retire comfortably on an undisclosed settlement.
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#64265 - 04/19/06 02:27 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las V
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
Agreed benjammin...

If those were real bangers, he would have been shot after he got a beatdown. It certainly looked like he said something (granted, they swiped his radio right out of his cart, so they started it). But when you are up against 15-20 punks and you aren't armed (even if you are) you think twice about what you do and say.

One of the wannabes will roll like a little girl on his friends and the ones who did the beating (especially the kickers and the belt swinger) will probably do some time, maybe several years if they have priors. Anyone without will likely get probation and maybe a few days in county. I say line every one of them up and let the old guy dish out his own justice! When his fist gets to hurting, he can use his boot.

Sadly, the wannabes who are actually tough will likely become real bangers in prison.

I hope you don't have this kinda trouble in NYC.
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#64266 - 04/19/06 02:56 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las V
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
"LVPD is pretty notorious for not putting up with this sort of thing, and someone will give them up eventually. LV protects its PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER. like no other city I've been to."

NO, they don't. I lived there for six years before it got as bad as it is now. The crime was bad when I was there, but very little of it seeped out to the news. If you want to know what's REALLY going on when you visit LV, take your police scanner with you and program it for the local frequencies. You will be shocked at what's going on 24 hrs a day.

The gangs were moving in on the Strip about the time I left. If the LVPD had moved on them when they started, the town might have gotten a rep for being hard on those gang psychotics, but they didn't.

LV doesn't really deal with it's problems, it just covers them up. If a customer in a casino is losing and decks the (female) dealer, management will rush over, kick the dealer out of the way as she's trying to get to her feet, and solicitously ask the customer if he hurt his hand.

LV is nothing but layer upon layer of crime. Even the PD got a public thrashing during a multimillion-dollar lawsuit (which they lost) because they routinely failed to get search warrants for home searches.

The chances are very good that even if the attackers are identified, nothing much will be done. The MGM won't want the publicity, so they'll probably quietly pay off the guy who got beaten. And the trash on the streets know it.

It is said that all that glitters isn't gold, and that probably applies more in LV than anywhere else. It's a trash city with trash players... the glitz is all illusion.

Sue

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#64267 - 04/19/06 03:24 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las V
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Registered: 12/07/05
Posts: 781
Loc: Central Illinois
I haven't been since 3 weeks after 9/11, so maybe things were a bit more subdued then. I had visited several times over the decade before that and was under just the opposite impression of what you say Sue. But, as you point out, I wasn't a local.

You know the whole damn world is falling apart when Las Vegas can't keep the crimals out. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Bad joke, sorry.
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#64268 - 04/19/06 04:07 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las Vegas
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we have a generation raised with no conscience or morals

i believe i would be considered to be in the generation you're referring to, and i'm personally offended by this gross generalization. you aren't justified in claiming something so extreme about a group so large that such a definitive statement cannot possibly apply.

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#64269 - 04/19/06 04:18 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las V
7k7k99 Offline
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Registered: 06/01/05
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Loc: Ohio
all right, I will amend my statement to make it a "percentage of the last couple generations" have very little conscience or morals. One only needs look at spring break to see lack of morals on parade or the number of gangs in any given major city or the number of shootings daily in my own city to see that life has very little value for the young, who are the primary perpetrators of this murderous rampage. But I would challenge you that if there are so many upstanding young people with morals and conscience, why are they not impacting those with none of those values?

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#64270 - 04/19/06 04:22 AM Re: 15 Youths attack and beat up a worker in Las V
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Registered: 06/01/05
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Loc: Ohio
Sue is absolutely right. I was a Las Vegas 'local' in the late 70's and early 80's. Most crime around the casinos is indeed hushed up, can't hurt the tourist count. And there is a place just a little north of downtown called North Las Vegas, which has a tremendous gang problem, but has anyone ever heard of North Las Vegas? [outside of the locals?] NO. The glitz is certainly an illusion. And you don't want to walk around looking like a gold display from the nearest jeweler. Someone will relieve you of it.

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